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Old 07-09-2010, 07:28 AM   #1 
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Betta cruelty?

one of the local banks (NAB) about 2 miles from me has a betta in a tiny vase, diameter 4-5 inches about 4 inches tall with a plant in it. the betta is a beautiful steel and red CT. you can't even see through the vase because it is so cloudy.

i am thinking about approaching them and giving them 3 options before i approach the RSPCA
1.hand it over to me and i look after it
2. they provide a 2.5 - 5 gallon with a filter and heater.
3. i go to the RSPCA and they get fined

for evidence i will be using this site for the care specs and testing for ammonia nitrite and nitrate

has anyone got opinions on this?
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:19 AM   #2 
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i am going to make an appointment with the manager.
if anyone would like a copy of the evidence, post your email address
you can use it as well to do your bit at stopping betta cruelty.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:23 AM   #3 
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I wouldn't mention RSPCA right away. Just be like "Hey, I noticed you have a beta was wondering if you wanted a care sheet" *Hands Care Sheet*. Then see how well they respond (maybe make small talk) and go from there. I seriously doubt they mean to be cruel. They are most likely just uninformed employees looking to make their office pretty.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:26 AM   #4 
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i am going to make an appointment with the manager.
if anyone would like a copy of the evidence, post your email address
you can use it as well to do your bit at stopping betta cruelty.
Have you tried just mentioning something to the employees? I'm not saying you should let it go by any means, but don't prepare for a war when you might just need a conversation.
Good luck!
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Old 07-09-2010, 04:34 PM   #5 
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I doubt the bank would get a 5g tank for just one fish. I believe that 2 liters and up works perfectly fine. And if they do get at least a 2.5 liter tank they don't need a filter b/c they should be doing regular water changes anyways. please don't act hostile to the employees I doubt it is their fault they are just uneducated and it's our job as fish keepers to educate them not chastise them.
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I see no reason for why ignorance is now a good defense, whoever purchased the fish obviously didn't do any homework on how to care for it, and I doubt that they will so easily change their behaviour with a simple conversation. A fish is a living creature just as puppies and humans are, add to that that ignorance is never a reasonable defense, and you got some good ol fashioned animal cruelty.

I think you should tear the manager or the owner a new a**hole and demand that they change their ways or face a nice fine and bad publicity (public image is everything to smaller banks, as is your money *hint hint*).
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I see no reason for why ignorance is now a good defense, whoever purchased the fish obviously didn't do any homework on how to care for it, and I doubt that they will so easily change their behaviour with a simple conversation. A fish is a living creature just as puppies and humans are, add to that that ignorance is never a reasonable defense, and you got some good ol fashioned animal cruelty.

I think you should tear the manager or the owner a new a**hole and demand that they change their ways or face a nice fine and bad publicity (public image is everything to smaller banks, as is your money *hint hint*).
IMO this is ridiculous. Yes, people should do research before they purchase a pet BUT just because they didn't does not by any means make them cruel. I know many people on this forum started out not knowing a thing about betas, and if they were approached by someone who acted hostile like you are suggesting they might have been discouraged from the hobby. A conversation isn't going to hurt anything. The person might just need to be educated. It might not work, but its definitely worth a try. It that doesn't work grater measures can be taken, but even those should be approached a decent attitude.

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Old 07-09-2010, 09:00 PM   #8 
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You can be mad at someone for doing wrong when they didn't know it was wrong. By that mode of thinking a child should be held responsible if he picks up a loaded gun and accidentally kills his parent (its happened before).

Its commonly accepted that bettas can live in small spaces. People just don't understand that it is a myth. It doesn't mean you should be hostile towards them. People are more willing to learn if approached nicely instead of with hostility.

Also.. 2.5 liters is NOT big enough for a betta. That is the equivalent to putting a betta in a coke bottle.. its not big enough. The smallest a betta should be kept in long term is 2 gallons or 7.5 Liters. Any smaller and your looking at a lower life expectancy of the fish.
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Old 07-09-2010, 09:14 PM   #9 
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People are more willing to learn if approached nicely instead of with hostility.
Exactly. Stay professional. If you have the time keep finding excuses to walk into the bank and check on the fish. If you approach them with an attitude or mentioned the RSPCA they may decide a $3 fish is not worth the effort and flush it before they can get fined.

I agree with handing them VERY brief literature to get them started - probably at most half a page. They are not there to care for a fish, they are there to run a business and handing them a novel of printed off pages will get flushed also.
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You can be mad at someone for doing wrong when they didn't know it was wrong. By that mode of thinking a child should be held responsible if he picks up a loaded gun and accidentally kills his parent (its happened before).

Its commonly accepted that bettas can live in small spaces. People just don't understand that it is a myth. It doesn't mean you should be hostile towards them. People are more willing to learn if approached nicely instead of with hostility.

Also.. 2.5 liters is NOT big enough for a betta. That is the equivalent to putting a betta in a coke bottle.. its not big enough. The smallest a betta should be kept in long term is 2 gallons or 7.5 Liters. Any smaller and your looking at a lower life expectancy of the fish.
im not mad, im just doing my part. im giving them the FAQ's 3.0 and the common myths. and i meant 2.5 gal sorry.
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