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Old 08-28-2010, 11:27 AM   #11 
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This is so neat. Thank you for not giving up on red oak. Heheh.
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Old 08-28-2010, 04:31 PM   #12 
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I put one grade c indian almond leaf in a 1 gallon jug of water and it turn brown the next day. plus indian are so cheap even if you buy grade A.. Also I have never heared of bettas in the wild living in oak leaves, and there is know information or or research saying that oak leaves are equal better or close to indian almond leaves. They have been using indian almond leaves since the betta splenden it self. Why try to re invent the wheel, why mess with something that is not broke, All these top breeder's and not even that IBC showing and top betta fighters use indian almond leaves, and there's a reason why.

I am very open minded but without the fact's, I just don't see using oak leaves. It's just hear say and people just using what they have around them, but IAL is only 10.00 which last month's and month's Its not expensive to use IAL..
You also have to remember that this species is man made-domesticated and has not seen its natural habitat waters, like most of the farm raised fish we keep in our homes.

True enough that oak trees may not be in their native habitat but the Betta may not know this....I am of the opinion that if I can get the same results from local products that are often free and close at hand...I will keep that $10.00 in my pocket and use it for something else....lol.....

To each their own.....and I have been using native oak leaf instead of IAL for years and have yet to have any problems and I see the same results, but-I will agree that the tannin are much darker with one IAL than my native oak leaf unless I use a lot of them...but they are free so it is a non-issue for me......

...too bad Leo Buss didn't publish his spectrographic analysis on oak leaves that concluded that oak was 99% identical to almond chemically and the fish can't tell the difference anyway.....
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Old 08-28-2010, 07:15 PM   #13 
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Hey for someone open minded, you don't seem to open to other people trying to expand their horizons...

Reinvent the wheel? This is mother nature were talking about here...FloridaBetta...just because the ancient bettas didn't have oak trees hanging over their ponds in ancient times, doesn't mean they weren't hangin over some other pond bringing the same benefits to other fish around the world...

There are over 600 species of OAK TREE aorund the world and many in YOUR area! To think that not one of these leaf specimen form the oak does NOT have equal or more chemical benefits to water or our betta would be ignorent...

I would love to see some of you research that shows OAK LEAVEs are NOT "equal better or close to indian almond leaves".

And $10.00? For a leaf?? ..Do you pay your your Bettas water too???

Now im even more excited to find the results of my experiment... I may also go collect more species and allow for a wider range of test results...

Here are some links that show other peoples success and use of these leaves...(many different varieties of OAK)

http://www.nespal.org/leaf%20litter.html

http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesw...+Leaf+Extract+

IAL link, stating "Oak leaves are often used in aquariums as an alternative. "
http://theaquariumwiki.com/Terminalia_catappa

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I am very open minded, You or someone show me the proof. The fact's that they are equal or greater than IAL then cool I will walk out in my yard and grab some...
The next thing is it's 10.00 dollars for 200 gram's of IAL. LoL 10.00 for one leaf I know your not that ignorant... And of course I pay for my bettas water if you want to be ignorant, when you use water it goes on your electric bill or water bill. So yes you pay for the water. LoL funny guy you...
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Old 08-28-2010, 07:55 PM   #14 
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Hey BettaBoy84, I'm looking forward to seeing your results on this experiment, but the photos of your last post are not showing up. I don't know if it is my computer or if it is an error on your side. And if you don't mind me asking, could someone explain the advantages of the tannin in the water and what not? (Not meaning to hijack the thread ) And at FloridaBettas239 you may not be trying too, but you are sounding like a real female dog. I believe the whole point of this thread is to show the effects of the oak leaves and see how they compare. He has shown some evidence of the positive effects they have had, just look at the threads he has linked. Other member has posted positive results too, just look at Oldfishlady’s post. This is also BettaBoy84's thread, so in reality it is YOUR responsibility to find the proof that he is wrong, or any negative effects of oak leaves to make the thread as informative as possible, not his to find the proof that he is right, to which end he has done more than you anyways. If you want to be helpful, defend your point with some evidence, maybe even dish out the money the buy some IAL and show how much better they are that would be nice. And I’m sorry; I’m with oldfishlady and BettaBoy84 on this one, 10 bucks for some leaves? Somebody somewhere is making a lot of money.
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:05 PM   #15 
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Thanks WillIamg..great to see your interest in the thread, i appreciate your support on the topic...

Good to see your interest in the thread as well FloridaBetta...Also good to know that 10.00 gets you more than one leaf..

I will keep you all posted on the new leafs I added to the experiment, they both already surpass the other species in the genre...I like their shape, size and durability. They also seem to be releasing more tannin already in their first day... (I will post pics later)

I will be going north tomorrow and hopefully finding more varieties of oak leaves..could be hard as the more uncommon are hard to find just by wandering lol..

There has also been some great coloration in the water of the Chestnut Oak, but I will wait to post pics, until greater coloration occurs in all 5 jars...

Keep up the interest!

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Also, I have new fry in my planted tank, check my other thread in breeding...
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:09 PM   #16 
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Hey, I am reposing the Pics of the new leaves as some are unable to see them..I guess I will just add them like I did originally and stop trying to be so creative in integrating them into my message.. lol..hope this works,

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Old 08-28-2010, 08:17 PM   #17 
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New Leafs and New Lineup...

Haven't Changed the 3 original...Still same 3 jars, 3 leafs in each jar, just added 2 new jars 3 leafs in each..
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:39 PM   #18 
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Let me know if others saw the previous pics, or of this is the first time everyone is seeing them..may be a mac/pc thing, most likely its just me..lol...

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Old 08-28-2010, 08:43 PM   #19 
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I am actually really interested in this thread, I've tried looking for IAL for months now and got told oak leaves are pretty much the same but I'v never had the balls to try it lol plus I didn't even know there were so many types of oak trees, I am ashamed to say I only thought there was one and thats down the street from me haha so make sure you keep us updated bettaboy
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Old 08-28-2010, 09:42 PM   #20 
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I see them now BettaBoy84. LOL, I'm on a PC so that may be it.
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