so when i bought ares there was a supposed 'female' in the tank with him that i bought as well, short fins ect. i moved all the ladies to my community but they couldnt cope with the all the movement, i have quite a few guppies and platies in there and they always on the go. i think it was a bit much for them all. so i set up a 1ft tank for them and added them planning to get the heater and filter today, which i did. only when i got home there was a lovely lil bubble nest waiting for me

so im now almost 90% sure the red betta is just a really badly beaten up male. so i whipped up a divider out of an old undergravel filter i had lying around which i cut up and now have mildly happy bettas in a divided tank

. the real female a lil bluey greeny red is still a lil stressed by the change but i think she will adjust. the only thing i need now for this tank is a light. both sides are fully planted and each has a lil place to hide, filter in the females side and heater is in the males section, cos of the open slates in the undergravel filter the water passes through quite easily. all in all a satisfactory solution, except from my breeding point of view.