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Old 10-24-2010, 11:06 PM   #1 
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new and worried

New owner and to this site....thanks to anyone who responds.

Long story short...been reading threads. I have not been changing the water appropriately although I did condition the water. I am following fishlady advice and placed fish in small tank with epsom salt and stopped feeding. From he pics....is there anything you guys see that is more obvious? Could I be doing something more? Going to buy a heater. I know people have talked about bloated bellies but I have not seen any picture as bad as this. It has gone on for almost 2 weeks. Pic should be attached

Housing
What size is your tank?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have a filter?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
How often do you feed your betta fish?

Maintenance

How often do you perform a water change?
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)? Housing
What size is your tank?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have a filter?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
How often do you feed your betta fish?

Maintenance

How often do you perform a water change?
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)?
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:09 PM   #2 
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Sorry, but where are the answers to your questions?? And WOW that's bad
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:37 PM   #3 
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Do NOT feed your fish. Looks severely constipated/bloated. MAYBE try to feed it a small piece of pea - it acts as a laxative. Is this how you bought it?
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:10 AM   #4 
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no. He just became this way. a thawed frozen pea?!
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:22 AM   #5 
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Housing
What size is your tank? 5 gallon
What temperature is your tank? 74
Does your tank have a filter? yes
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? yes
Is your tank heated? no. will get one
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? none

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? betta pellets
How often do you feed your betta fish? 2x/day. haven't for 3 days
Maintenance

How often do you perform a water change? not often enough as I have learned. 1x/month as the water "looked"clean and I fed into the myth that it could live in bad conditions as they are found in small and shallow puddles
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?100 percent
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? Start Right...water conditioner. removes chlorine and chloromine and has aloe

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters? no.will get a kit

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? became bloated . it seemed rather drastic.
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? no quite as active but not totally lethargic.
When did you start noticing the symptoms? approx 2 weeks ago. thought it might have been normal. obvious we were over feeding. Went with what they could eat in 5 minutes rather than 2 pellets so we were giving it about 5 pellets each feeding! I know!!!!! Bad!!
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? Stopped feeding it for 3 days now and placed in a smaller bowl so I can start doing 100 percent changes. Using the epson salt suggested by ?fishlady?
Does your fish have any history of being ill? no
How old is your fish (approximately)? Housing 4 months
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:45 AM   #6 
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How does the fish look from above? Does he look like a pine-cone? That type of bloating... and that's still there although you stopped feeding him in not a good thing.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:04 AM   #7 
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here's a picture of him from the top.
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:09 AM   #8 
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When you look at him from above-do both sides look the same-one side not bigger than the other?

How many days has he been in the Epsom salt 1tsp/gal water (not aquarium salt)
Have you seen him poop
Have you got the water temp up to 76F
Are the scales sticking out any?
Has he perked up any at all?
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:45 AM   #9 
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Hmm... not sure if it's constipation. If he has been like that for two weeks it could be something worse. It might be dropy, but, in its first stages. Are his fins clamped, does it seem like he can't find his balance? How long has he been living in bad water quality? Have you seen him poop? If he hasn't pooped for two weeks, the fish should be dead by now. But, if he's doing it... then, it's something else.

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Old 10-25-2010, 03:10 PM   #10 
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He seems to be in a very small unheated container. Is this just for pictures, or is this his home?

This could be one of two things, the first being constipation related bloating. This can be a result of overfeeding, improper feeding, and low temperatures. Bettas are cold-blooded animals, so the speed and efficiency of their entire metabolism is based on temperature. Bettas should be kept at temperatures in the range of 78-83 degrees in order to be comfortable, healthy, and active. If his water is cold, move him to the warmest, most stable place in your house away from direct sunlight, drafty windows and doors, vents, hot electronics, fans, etc. As soon as you can, you should get a 25 watt heater with an adjustable temperature dial--this will help jump start his metabolism and help get things moving.

At this point I would not feed him any food until you see him poop or until the bloating goes down. If you see him poop, take note of what it looks like, since the appearance of the feces can indicate the presence of internal parasites in some cases.

You should also be doing regular water changes. If the container is one gallon, he will need a 100% water change every other day, if the container is two gallons, a 100% change every 3-4 days, a 5 gallon container will need a 100% change once a week. Search around the forum if you're unsure of the procedure for properly changing the water and acclimating your fish--that issue has been covered in dozens of other threads.

Be aware that there is a possibility that the fish is suffering from some kind of organ failure different from dropsy--I have seen long-term severe bloat occur in bettas that gets slowly and progressively worse, in most cases the bettas eventually had to be euthanized. This is not a very common condition, but it is a possibility.
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