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Old 11-15-2010, 08:04 PM   #1 
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Unhappy Rising Scales?

So, today i noticed something odd on Casanova. The tips of his tail is turning black and the scales on his head are raising, I believe it is called pine coning. It's also turning a bit red. The scales on his back are rising too, a little bit. Whats going on??
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:21 PM   #2 
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I think he might have dropsy =(
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:27 PM   #3 
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Is he bloated? Could you try posting a picture?
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:33 PM   #4 
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No, not bloated. His scales are just rising and his face area is kinda red. His tail's turning black on the ends. He is not bloated and has not been bloated as far as I know. It couldn't be dropsy, could it?
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:36 PM   #5 
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I'll give you a link I find useful for diagnosing Betta:

http://www.bettatalk.com/betta_diseases.htm

I don't want to be alarmist but here is what they say about Dropsy:

It is easy to diagnose a betta with Dropsy: Look for two signs: an abnormally big (bloated) belly and if you look at betta from the top, raised scales. Scales will look like an open pine cone. If you see this, you are out of luck, and so is Betta. He will soon go to betta heaven :((

If caught early enough in rare cases I've heard of it going away, but let's hope that's not it.

The tail turning black is usually a sign of fin rot which is easily treatable with daily water changes and some antibiotics.

The red could be chemical burns which are treated pretty much the same way.
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:34 PM   #6 
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It cannot be fin rot because his water is really clean and 0 ammonia. :/ I also don't use chemicals (except a tiny bit of aquarium salt a few weeks ago, but he showed no signs of illness then). It is not dropsy because he is not bloated at all. Could be have just been injured some how, and that's causing stress?
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Old 11-16-2010, 10:40 PM   #7 
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I got a few questions....

How big is the tank, how much and how often are the water changes and when was the last one, water temp, filtration, additive-what kind, how much, what for, any live plants, how long have you had him, any illness and if so, what kind of treatment, duration etc.....

Until then...start making some 50% water only changes with like temp dechlorinated water, maintain water temp in the 76-78F area....
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Old 11-18-2010, 08:44 PM   #8 
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Tank Size- 3 gallons
75% water changes ever half week, 100% every week
Last water change wednesday
No live plants
temp: 77 degrees F
no filtration
no additives
Had him for a few months
no illness
some aquarium salt a few weeks ago for 5 days
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Old 11-19-2010, 08:58 AM   #9 
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Looks like you provide good care-it looks like you may be on well water since you don't use any additives like dechlorinater-you may want to try some because it may be a heavy metal issue with the water

However, with the pine cone I would do an Epsom salt 1tsp/gal along with 100% daily water changes while in QT for 10 days for the symptoms and use a dechlorinater

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Old 11-19-2010, 09:49 PM   #10 
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Ok. Yeah, I tested my filtered water and it's perfect. All my fish have actually brightened up since I started using it. :D But I will consider that for the water.

It appears that it's not pine coning, but it looks like he was injured. :/ The other scales went down, except the ones on his head. But they look like they were knocked out of place. I still don't understand the black stuff, but I'm guessing salt would not be good for an injury?
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