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Old 11-16-2010, 07:15 PM   #1 
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Suspected parasite and treatment question(s)...

One of my female Bettas in my divided tank recently starting getting these little fuzzy things on her fins that I suspected might be a case of Velvet or other parasite. She was still very active and eating well, but I got worried about this being a possible parasite so I went ahead and treated the whole tank with Parasite Clear from Jungle Labs.

I only did one treatment and after 48 hours I did a massive water change because the Betta in question really didn't like the medication in the water; I think it stressed her out bigtime as she spent the majority of her time near the surface of the water and motionless when the meds where being used. The meds didn't seem to bother the other female that is on the other side of the divider, but then again, I think the female that I suspected has the parasite ended up getting more of a concentration of the meds because of the tank divider.

So, now the Betta in question looks to be a little more lively but seems like she is now bloated and has somewhat of a decreased appetite. It also appears that there is a good amount of waste material on the bottom of her side of the tank. I am worried about this bloated look and whether or not she did have a parasite and more importantly... if it was cleared with the meds.

Can anyone give me any suggestions as to why she is like this after the medicine being used and more importantly, what I should do next?
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Old 11-17-2010, 09:58 AM   #2 
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Sorry you are having problems...got a few questions......

How big is the divided tank, water temp, how much and how often are the regular water changes, filtration, live plants, how long have you had the Betta, what kind of medication and how much did you use, how was her appetite before the treatment?

Right now I would QT and start 100% daily water changes on her.
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Old 11-17-2010, 12:55 PM   #3 
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How big is the divided tank
10 Gallons

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water temp
82 Degrees

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how much and how often are the regular water changes
Well, since it has a filter on it, I have been doing 50% weekly water changes but it is also a fairly new setup so if the ammonia levels go up I end up doing a water change more often than once a week.

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filtration, live plants
Yes, I have a HOB filter and no live plants.

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how long have you had the Betta
I have had both of them for about a month now.

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what kind of medication and how much did you use
I pointed this out in my original post above. I used Parasite Clear from Jungle Labs and I only did one treatment, which was a single tablet.

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how was her appetite before the treatment?
Her appetite before the treatment was great. I just noticed the fuzzy stuff on her fins and thought it might be some kind of parasite and got worried and thought I should do a treatment.

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Right now I would QT and start 100% daily water changes on her.
I really don't have a way to quarantine her unless I put her in a separate bowl that won't have heat or filtration in it. Should I still do this anyways?
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Old 11-17-2010, 01:16 PM   #4 
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Are the fuzzy white things still on her? and you are sure it is not ich?

Yes, I would still QT her-if you bought her in one of those cups they work great to use for QT-attach it inside your 10g so you can maintain the temp-make sure and attach it so it doesn't accidentally sink......I would then start a daily 100% water changes on her with Epsom salt 1tsp/gal(not aquarium salt) for 10 days-fast for 3 days then offer half feedings every other day....hopefully this is not a system shut down-the Epsom salt will help with the bloat

It sounds like you have a good handle on your water quality and needs-however, more water changes the better especially in a cycling tank.....was she okay or healthy when you got her a month ago?
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Old 11-17-2010, 01:24 PM   #5 
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Are the fuzzy white things still on her? and you are sure it is not ich?
I don't still notice the white things on her and I am not 100% sure that it wasn't Ich. It could have been.

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Yes, I would still QT her-if you bought her in one of those cups they work great to use for QT-attach it inside your 10g so you can maintain the temp-make sure and attach it so it doesn't accidentally sink......I would then start a daily 100% water changes on her with Epsom salt 1tsp/gal(not aquarium salt) for 10 days-fast for 3 days then offer half feedings every other day....hopefully this is not a system shut down-the Epsom salt will help with the bloat
I don't feed her much as it is. Even when I was feeding her on a regular schedule, she was getting 3-4 pellets a day. Since this issue has arisen, I no longer feed her every day.

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It sounds like you have a good handle on your water quality and needs-however, more water changes the better especially in a cycling tank.....was she okay or healthy when you got her a month ago?
She seemed like she was okay. She had a really good appetite and was very active. She is predominately blue in color and I have noticed since this whole ordeal that the majority of her body color is now grey. Her fins are still blue though. Not sure if this means anything.
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:16 PM   #6 
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There are a couple of other things that I noticed with my female Betta that I wanted to point out. Firstly, I am currently doing the Epsom Salt treatment as was suggested above and I am floating the container she came in inside of my heated tank that I was keeping her in originally in order to make sure she is in heated water.

I have also noticed that her eyes are popping out more than normal. This other thing is very difficult to describe and it might be related to her bloat, but I am not sure. If you look at her from above especially, it looks like her scales are sticking out somewhat so in a way it gives her kind of a "spikey" appearance to her skin that wasn't like that before.

Any more input as to what I might be dealing with?
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:38 PM   #7 
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That is too bad...sounds like dropsy or system shut down and not much you can do for that...you can try a broad spectrum antibiotic but once the symptom of dropsy shows up the damage is past repair...the Epsom salt treatment can help with the symptom and help make her comfy but no cure once the kidneys shut down-sometimes the best thing to do is to humanly euthanize if she seems to be suffering-but don't give up too soon.....

I have only saved a couple of fish once they started to pine cone and this was related to being egg bound and what I did I will not recommend a hobbyist do especially on an open forum.
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Old 11-18-2010, 06:52 PM   #8 
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Dang, that sucks.

That means she must have had some kind of parasite when I purchased her.

What do you recommend that I do at this point? Just keep up the 100% daily water changes and Epsom Salt treatment and watch her?

I have fasted her for a couple of days so I am not sure what her appetite is like at this point.
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Old 11-18-2010, 07:06 PM   #9 
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It was most likely related to internal bacterial and not parasite-this often happens from poor care from before you got her and not related to anything you did or could have done...this is also sometimes seen with freshwater fish kept in long term sodium chlorine or aquarium salt as well...kidney damage.....

That is about all you can do is stay up with the water changes and Epsom salt for the symptoms to make her comfy-
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Old 11-19-2010, 01:42 PM   #10 
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Unfortunately, the Parasite Clear would not have helped your fish in this case. Parasite Clear contains ingredients (praziquantel, metronidazole, levamisole, etc) that are for eliminating and helping the fish pass parasites in the intestinal tract. This would not be effective for treating any external parasites like ich, velvet, chilodonella, etc.

I don't think your fish had any kind of infestation, though. What you saw was likely one of two possible things, one being saprolegnia--a fungus that often appears on the fin as a secondary infection.

Fungi are pretty rare in aquaria, they move slowly and they only infect fish that are severely immuno-compromised. This means that there was something internal going on which left the fish open to fungal infection. Who knows, it may have been internal parasites since you found so much waste in the tank--the waste was a result of her passing the worms in her intestinal tract.

It is also possible that the fish was infected with bacteria from the beginning. Bacteria is often mistaken for fungus because it's fuzzy, and looks similar to mold you might see on an old strawberry. It moves very quickly, and the fish can be incapacitated in hours, and die in only a couple days, typically.

Sorry for your loss, unfortunately there really isn't much that can be done for dropsied fish. Hopefully this experience has taught you a bit more about how to treat the symptoms you see in your fish. In the future, I encourage you to look up the general use of the active ingredients listed on any medication you intend to use. This should help make sure that you're using the right medication to treat the problem.
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