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Old 02-21-2011, 05:39 PM   #11 
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I don't think it can be. The fundamental reasons behind displays of aggression in bettas are for attracting mates and scaring away competition. Without it they would have no reason to want to flare. Some wild species of bettas are more peaceful and can be housed together but even they will show aggression to scare away potential competition and vie for breeding rights with the alpha female in the tank. It's really interesting to study the behaviors of the different species. B. spelendens is such a domesticated species that I doubt the aggression will ever be bred out, not that we'd want it to. It's just the nature of the species to be extremely territorial... sort of like bears in that respect. Loners for the most part with the exception of breeding.

As an aside (because I'm as big a dog person as a fish person).. pit bulls jaws don't actually lock. That's just one of the many myths about the breed. The structure and musculature of the jaw is the exact same as any member of the species. In fact, Rottweilers and German Shepherds have a higher bite force than pits (and any breed associated with pits) by a long shot. It's the tenacity of the breed that causes them to not let go. A break stick and a twist of the wrist will release a pit's jaw in seconds if you know how to use it properly. :)
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:14 PM   #12 
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As an aside (because I'm as big a dog person as a fish person).. pit bulls jaws don't actually lock. That's just one of the many myths about the breed. The structure and musculature of the jaw is the exact same as any member of the species. In fact, Rottweilers and German Shepherds have a higher bite force than pits (and any breed associated with pits) by a long shot. It's the tenacity of the breed that causes them to not let go. A break stick and a twist of the wrist will release a pit's jaw in seconds if you know how to use it properly. :)
I never knew that. Just teaches you to not believe everything your mom tells you. I'm more of a lab/retriever type of person, but I would LOVE to rescue a pit bull. A trainer at the barn I rode back at home rescued a pit mix named Maggie. She was so sweet she babysat the lesson kids' siblings. Everyone called her Maggie Waggie.
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:20 PM   #13 
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I have a neighbor who insists that pit bulls are mean by nature and sooner or later WILL turn on their owner. I've argued with her that if they're brought up right then that isn't necessarily going to happen. I've heard a lot of people who have been around pit bulls say how sweet and loving they are.
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:31 PM   #14 
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Oh I could totally spam this thread with the truth about pit bulls and all the myths about them. Some of the things people think (including my own sister) just make me want to slam my head against a wall.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:22 PM   #15 
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My sister has a pit bull...he's still tiny (HA yeah right). He just dosen't know his own size....he's tackled my friend like 10 times haha. But he would never really hurt anyone or anything.
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:43 PM   #16 
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Pit bull myths are sad. The only reason some are mean is because their "owners" abuse them terribly becuase they look "tough". Then that makes people hate them when pit bulls are more friendly than border collies (Some people did tests) It's like the Bettas of the dog world... cruel myths and cruel treatment )= (Just not NEARLY as aggressive as a Betta)

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Old 02-23-2011, 11:39 PM   #17 
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I think it's the way they're raised. If they're raised to be mean and aggressive, they will be. I';ve known poodles that were mean.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:40 PM   #18 
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This thread has gone to the dogs .lol I'm a Doberman lover and know nothing about pit bulls, other than the myths. But I believe all dogs will behave accordingly to the way they were brought up/trained.

Back to the betta ....hope I don't get kicked out of the internet again.....
So for the fourth time in the last few days....

I differentiate viciousness, aggressiveness, and mentality. First is a character that would shred others to pieces but would not fight long. Second is a character that would chase away and fight for territory but not necessarily vicious. Third is a character close to aggressive - it is the strength of the fish's self esteem but not necessarily vicious nor aggressive. It would fight to the bitter end if challenged but not always chase away others.

This is based on past experiences (mid 70's to early 80's) with the classic fighters and VT. It's inconclusive to relate colors to character other than mentality. IMO dark colored, such as green and specially black lace based, tend to show stronger mentality compared to other colors. Light colors and dark colors which carries (the ones used to mix to light color) light color (like blue and red) show weaker mentality. (hope this makes sense)....

If a dark color becomes stressed (for what ever reason incl loose a fight) it will take them shorter time to regain their self esteem and defend their territory. Sometimes light colors never regain such mentality but becomes vicious towards younger fish or females..... you can't find light colored fighters these days.

The way they were brought up also plays a big role. Fish brought up in solitary since the age of 2 months or so and has never been intimidated by other bettas usually shows a high level of aggressiveness and often stronger mentality compared to those brought up in a sorority. But once stressed, they would never fight for long. These characters are, IMO, also related to age. An elderly betta tends to be more docile, even towards other males.

Again, this is past experience. I'm not sure of their current development. I've noticed some changes in color genetics (not character) since the early 80's and haven't had fighters since late 70's nor have I really payed attention to their character. So their characters may also be different. If you (OP) is interested in the relationship between character and color, this is something you could look into. Must warn you though, you would have to fight them to see if my past conclusion is true.
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Once you have a small child thrown in your arms in the ER that has had their guts/intestines ripped out and partial eaten and dead by the way...mother and father screaming and crying stating he (pitBull) has never bitten anyone..he was raised with my kids...etc.....then you will understand why I don't care for that breed.......when pitbulls attack and bite they can do real damage and kill people...especially children and other animals.....true pitbulls may not bite as many people as other breeds of dogs...but when a pitbull bites it counts.......not because of jaw pressure per se but because they don't stop once they start........man bred this into the breed so it not really the dogs fault per se'.....but spend a year working the emergency room and see the damage with your own eyes what a pitbull can do to a human body and listen to the owner tell you this is the first time they have bitten anyone....the pitbulls one time bite can kill........ and then tell me what a nice dog it is...................
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Old 02-24-2011, 11:11 AM   #20 
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Great info Indjo.

A rottweiler or GSD can do just as much if not more damage. 99% of dog bites are the result of human error. I'd also go further to say that probably 85% or more of reported "pit bites" aren't even from an actual pit bull or any mix thereof. Always have to ask what was being done to the dog prior to the bite and why weren't the parents around. Dog aggression does not equal human aggression and dogs that are inherently human aggressive should be culled or given to someone experienced enough to manage them. Pit Bulls were never bred to bite humans. In fact in the dog fighting days when this breed was being established a dog that bit a human was killed right then and there. They were bred so that when the fight was won humans could step in and break the dogs up without being bitten.

It's not the breed. If a pit bull ever attacks any one it is solely the fault of the owner. Just recently an infant was killed by a "pit bull" (although that is not confirmed as no picture of the dog in question have surfaced and when it comes to dog bites Labradors start to look an awful lot like "pits" because pit bites make news). Wanna know what happend? Mother left infant alone in a room with the dog and went into another room! NEVER leave a child alone with a dog or any animal big enough to do damage to it. Nothing was ever said what happend but my guess is the kid starts crying.. dog gets overly worried/excited.. accident happens. Should the dog die? I don't think so.

They don't "turn" on people. You have to DO something to make a dog bite you no matter what breed (unless your talking a mentally unstable dog but that is more the one bad apple scenerio.. exception not the rule).

It's sad when kids are killed by dogs but it is never the dog's fault. Just like death by gunshot death by dog is 100% preventable. But instead of learning how to control your dog and knowing what breed is right for you everyone wants to blame and ban the dog. It's always "he's never bitten anyone before!".. but they can't tell you what was going on prior to the bite. With the exception of mentally unstable dogs (again those are few and far between) dogs ALWAYS give warning signs. Stiffness, low tail wagging, teeth baring, growling, backing away.. these are ALL signs saying get away from me now. Of course children can't read these signs but parents should be able to. I place sole blame on a child bite on the parents.

I've volunteered in ERs and I've seen a few dog bites it does tend to skew your view but you always have to think what led up to the bite. Was the child doing something to the dog or taking something away from the dog (resource guarding can lead to biting if not trained) where were the owners? What conditions/ training was the dog given? What breeding does it come from? It's sad that nowadays dumb*** punk kids are breeding these dogs to be aggressive towards humans when they were never meant to be such. Pit bulls are NOT guard dogs, a real pit bull will happily lead a burglar into your house asking for butt scratchs. If you want a guard dog go with a Doberman or Rottweiler..breeds actually bred for stranger aggression.
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