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Old 02-22-2016, 08:59 PM   #1 
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Fish stocking - losing fish

Hi guys I'm very new to this and have a Jewel rio 240ltr tank.
I have a variety of fish and all was good for around 4 months then all of a sudden I had allot of fish die. All water checks done and checked are fine and I believe something in my tank is attacking fish.

I have currently the following fish.

2x yoyo loach (Pakistani loach) ( 1 4" other 2" very boystrous)
2x betta 1 mate 1 female (did have 2 female)
2x clown loach
4x blue tetra was 12
3x dwarf albino Cory (no issue)
1x torpedo barb (keeps itself to itself)
2x molly's
1x silver shark ( scared of its own shadow still small)
1x plec.

I really don't know which fish could be the main culprit but I'm leaning more towards the yoyo loach as they are so boystrous in the tank very active.
Any suggestions and any advice on which fish maybe I should not have in the tank.

I used to have also but which found dead were

2x electric blue ram
2x blue gourami
12x tetra mixed red and blue

Please any advice would be grateful.

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Old 02-22-2016, 10:29 PM   #2 
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I have currently the following fish.

2x yoyo loach (Pakistani loach) ( 1 4" other 2" very boystrous)
2x betta 1 mate 1 female (did have 2 female)
2x clown loach
4x blue tetra was 12
3x dwarf albino Cory (no issue)
1x torpedo barb (keeps itself to itself)
2x molly's
1x silver shark ( scared of its own shadow still small)
1x plec.

I really don't know which fish could be the main culprit but I'm leaning more towards the yoyo loach as they are so boystrous in the tank very active.
Any suggestions and any advice on which fish maybe I should not have in the tank.

I used to have also but which found dead were

2x electric blue ram
2x blue gourami
12x tetra mixed red and blue
OMG what a stocking mess you have.

2x yoyo loach (Pakistani loach) These should be keptin a group of 5 minimum a 240 liter tank is just big enough.

2x betta 1 mate 1 female, These can't be kept in the same tank.

2x clown loach these need to be kept in a group of 5 minimum and require a 400 liter tank.

1x plec. What sort of plec?

You cant keep Gourami and bettas in the same tank.

What are your water parameters?
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Old 02-23-2016, 04:02 AM   #3 
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Hi thanks for your advice. I have been getting g rather frustrated lately as I have seeks advice from so many aquatic stores and told them exactly what I have in the tank everytime I purchase and was told they will be fine.

The two yoyo I adopted with the tank and I was told male and female betta can live together but you need at least 2 female to 1 male so they don't fight and the male will not just harass 1 female to death.

Clown loach I was aware can get big and was told this is rare though and was given the go ahead.

Tank parameters are.

Ammonia 0
Nitrate 250
Nitrite 0
GH 200
KH 150
PH 7.0

which do you think is the main culprit for the death of the fish BETTA??



AmHi guys I'm very new to this and have a Jewel rio 240ltr tank.
I have a variety of fish and all was good for around 4 months then all of a sudden I had allot of fish die. All water checks done and checked are fine and I believe something in my tank is attacking fish.

I have currently the following fish.

2x siemese too loach ( 1 4" other 2" very boystrous)
2x betta 1 mate 1 female (did have 2 female)
2x clown loach
4x blue tetra was 12
3x dwarf albino Cory (no issue)
1x torpedo barb (keeps itself to itself)
2x molly's
1x silver shark ( scared of its own shadow still small)
1x plec.

I really don't know which fish could be the main culprit but I'm leaning more towards the yoyo loach as they are so boystrous in the tank very active.
Any suggestions and any advice on which fish maybe I should not have in the tank.

I used to have also but which found dead were

2x electric blue ram
2x blue gourami
12x tetra mixed red and blue

Please any advice

Read more: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/n...xzz40xDE1DDaon is = 0
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Old 02-23-2016, 04:18 AM   #4 
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When the fish died did they have any injuries?

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I was told male and female betta can live together but you need at least 2 female to 1 male so they don't fight and the male will not just harass 1 female to death.
Who ever told you this knows nothing.

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Nitrate 250
That is not possible, The API kit measures to 5.
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Old 02-23-2016, 04:30 AM   #5 
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When the fish died did they have any injuries?



Who ever told you this knows nothing.


That is not possible, The API kit measures to 5.
Hi when the fish died most overnight I found allot in pieces been nibbled quite allot tetra never found the bodies just vanished. I'm using king British 6 in 1 test strips

Please see piks
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Hi when the fish died most overnight I found allot in pieces been nibbled quite allot tetra never found the bodies just vanished. I'm using king British 6 in 1 test strips

Please see piks


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What is your tank maintenance schedule?

Betta and Gourami are from the same family, Anabantoid. As such, they are not compatible. A male and a female Betta cannot be kept together because one could well kill the other during the mating ritual.

The API liquid test kit reads up to 160ppm. The safe level is below 20. I imagine the Nitrate level is killing your fish.

Do not do a large water change to rid the tank of Nitrates. That could send the surviving fish into shock. Instead, do 25% water changes every three hours until Nitrates are under 20. 0ppm would be better.

Nitrates are caused by an overabundance of rotting matter like plants, food, bodies and overall lack of good maintenance.

Even at 63 gallons your tank is terribly stocked. It's unfortunate that some stores don't care if you fail as they will just sell you more fish. I advise you to plug your data into the link below. And good luck!

http://aqadvisor.com/
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:48 PM   #8 
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Hi when the fish died most overnight I found allot in pieces been nibbled quite allot tetra never found the bodies just vanished.
I suspect the culprits are yoyo loach or clown loach maybe the shark.


You are using test strips that explains it.
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:28 PM   #9 
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I suspect the culprits are yoyo loach or clown loach maybe the shark.


You are using test strips that explains it.
Are test strips really poor then the readings have always come back and said that amonia and nitrite have been 0 I do a tank clean every 3 weeks or so and a clear in the tank with a gravel vac once a week if needed to lift most of the matter. I am also using fluviAl 306 filter and also a fluval u3 underwater filter.
I have also had water tested over the last few weeks in local aquatic shops and it's been fine.
I got home today to find the male Betts dead at the bottom of the tank I'm really lost here.

I now how just 1 female left surely if this was something in the water I would of found more of the fish not just dissappeard although I know.loaches would hoover up dead fish as most I find have been pretty much nibbled to bits

If not test strips what's the best reasonable test kit to buy

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What is your tank maintenance schedule?

Betta and Gourami are from the same family, Anabantoid. As such, they are not compatible. A male and a female Betta cannot be kept together because one could well kill the other during the mating ritual.

The API liquid test kit reads up to 160ppm. The safe level is below 20. I imagine the Nitrate level is killing your fish.

Do not do a large water change to rid the tank of Nitrates. That could send the surviving fish into shock. Instead, do 25% water changes every three hours until Nitrates are under 20. 0ppm would be better.

Nitrates are caused by an overabundance of rotting matter like plants, food, bodies and overall lack of good maintenance.

Even at 63 gallons your tank is terribly stocked. It's unfortunate that some stores don't care if you fail as they will just sell you more fish. I advise you to plug your data into the link below. And good luck!

http://aqadvisor.com/
Hi I did a water change yesterday and did like you advised checked water again using strips as I have not got anything else and this was ok again I have 1 plant in the tank which has had some leave die off recently but I'm not sure if the plant itself is dead looks healthy enough tbh. In regards to the stocking level I believe this shows it is so over stocked because of the possibility that the clown loach and yoyo loach reaching there optinmul size using the link u gave me once u removed them from the tank bare in mind only 4 fish it took me from 150% stocked to under 100%. Site is helpful but definitely a guide not a true figure. I think I will remove the clown loach and the yoyo tbh as it says also yoyo could feed on me tetra which could explain where they went.
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