Originally Posted by jschristian44
This is probably going to be my last post on this. I bought another set of breeding females and tried again. Well you all knew I would. But I conditioned the male and the females at the same time, introduced them in a glass container for a few days and released the female when she looked ready and the male had a big bubble nest. They just fought and fought and never spawned. I left them in for like a day, etc. Then I saw my male was getting a little rough. It seems like the females have strong vertical bars but then whenever I release her, they just chase each other and nothing happens. I just don't understand what I am doing wrong that I cannot for the life of me get these fish to breed. I have pretty much given up on trying because I have tried everything and I don't want any more to get hurt and my frustration has just peaked. I even emailed the breeder I got my fish from and she said I was doing everything right, she doesn't know why they won't breed. I mean is it really THIS hard to get them to spawn? I have researched all I could find and asked for advice. Please help me and don't just say stop breeding. If anyone knows what I am doing wrong I want to hear. There must be one thing that is wrong that they will not spawn. I have tried 2 different pairs of males and 4 different females already. So basically one male and 2 females. What is wrong? Is the female not full of eggs enough that she won't go into her submission? Her belly is super white and large so I thought she was full of eggs.
Had a similar experience before but, eventually, my fish pair pulled through. I had success in spawning twice but I kinda suck in rearing fry thatís why both attempts resulted in nothing, well, thatís my case.
Anyway, Iíve observed on both attempts that even if the male has built a large convincing bubble nest under the styro cup (almost filling the shadowed area beneath it) and the female displays her willingness to mate (after 24-36 hours of pairing) still it takes, roughly, another 24 hours or so until they do their lovemaking. For my first attempt, of course, as we all know, for the first few hours some nipping and sparring happens but I started to doubt what Iím doing when the sparring continued, as if they werenít interested with each other. Sorry but this may sound dire, well, it came to a point that I wanted to remove the female because sheís getting roughed up badly (from what I learned, cancel the spawning when the female sustains massive injury). However, I decided not to because the extent of her injuries doesnít impair her ability to swim and burst herself out of danger or to court with the male for that matter, but what really kept me from aborting the process is a weird behavior of the male. When the female goes submissively under the nest he attacks and chases her away but comes back under the nest to build more bubbles, although itís a big nest already (I think heís a perfectionist), as if heís really looking forward into mating but is the one dictating the mood. Sometimes sheís the one attacking, sometimes the male fetches her but she refuses and rushes away but the aggressions do have some rest intervals of 15-20 minutes. Quarrel then rest, quarrel then restÖ for several hours. I was exhausted watching them so I left them there to sleep (waking up in the middle of the night just to check). The next day, a few hours before noon, they did it. I think they were exhausted with fighting and decided to have some makeup lovemaking. She may have looked a little bit nasty because of her nipped fins and tail but she was fit enough to withstand another 4 hours of mating. I got her out immediately after she was spent.
The second attempt 3 weeks after, I was already armed with patience. This time I slept w/o interruption (no more waking up and checking on them). And like clockwork, with the same prolonged aggressive ritual shown before, they pulled through. Same time of day, late morning. Anyway, taking care of newly hatched fry, I really have to dig more about it.
I hope this helps. Good luck.