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Old 04-14-2011, 12:16 AM   #1 
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Red Sores and Fungus on Platos tail tips....acting funny....help? :-(

Hello everyone....

Well today started off great....two new Aquabid arrivals....and they are GORGEOUS (will post pics soon). However, Plato my beautiful metallic platinum butterfly has fallen ill, thus has stolen their thunder.

I try not to play favorites, but this guy, he is just beautiful. He's a rosetail, and the only one of my males who is not a tail biter.

Imagine my surprise when I noticed a red sore on the tip of his tail. I moved him to a new tank with a whole change of water....and that's when I noticed it. FUNGUS!

Or what appeared to be fungus. It's fuzzy, and white/grey. I immediatly reacted and treated him with Maroxy by Mardel. Within a few hours, many parts of his tail (only the tips!) have started to turn red....and there is more fuzzy stuff! You have to look really closely....and there is even a bit on the tip of his dorsal now. *sigh*.

So I am wondering....could it be Columnaris? Isn't that more of an attack on the body?

Then I wonder, is it fin rot?! I have never seen fin rot so RED on the edges, and I've never had fuzzies on the end!

I will be devastated if I cannot cure him. As will my hubby, Plato is his fav. Not to mention he's at the top of my breeding plans. He MUST get better!

Any suggestions/advice? Should I continue the Maroxy? Or should I start treatment with Maracyn and Maracyn Two?


Thanks in advance....



Oh and here are some pictures....hope these work!

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...0&l=4e466102ef


P.S. I should also mention, I noticed him sleeping a lot....he's always tired and at the bottom, the first sign of something bad. He's still eating, and when he DOES get up, he seems ok. Other than his clamped dorsal. Not his pectorials ones like other bettas do. He also used to float around all displayed, graceful....but now he just ends up floating vertical, with his tail weighing him down. I guess he is KIND of clamping


I have just added some aquarium salt as well....

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Old 04-14-2011, 12:50 AM   #2 
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Yikes! Hopefully the aquarium salt will do the trick :( I always have a little bit of salt in the tank so that the chance of getting fungus or fin rot will be harder to get
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Old 04-14-2011, 09:56 AM   #3 
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Thanks crowntailxking!

Well last night he wasn't moving much, so I TRIED to let him sleep. I must have checked on him a dozen times. Boy am I ever tired this morning!

So now he moves when provoked but prefers to rest. There are lots of red areas on the edges of his tail and a bit on the edge of his dorsal. Beside him, however, was the biggest piece of fuzz that was on his tail last night.

I am not sure if this means the Maroxy is working, but I have decided to do the cocktail of Maroxy, Maracyn and Maracyn Two today, as this is apparently ok according to Mardels pamplet. I will call them for verification.

I took pics of the fuzzy bit with my phone and my loop. I added them to the album located in my first post.


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Old 04-14-2011, 10:09 AM   #4 
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Oh man his tail is getting worse :( Poor boy! Is it maybe some unknown bacterial infection? If you're not seeing any progress, I'd also try to find other types (full spectrum) of antibiotics... But I'm really not experienced with betta diseases

Edit: Apparently adding lots of meds to the water can make it more difficult for the bettas to breathe (I don't know why and if this is true lol)... so if you have an airstone or aerator it might help him recover faster?

Bah so sad.

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Oh man his tail is getting worse :( Poor boy! Is it maybe some unknown bacterial infection? If you're not seeing any progress, I'd also try to find other types (full spectrum) of antibiotics... But I'm really not experienced with betta diseases

Edit: Apparently adding lots of meds to the water can make it more difficult for the bettas to breathe (I don't know why and if this is true lol)... so if you have an airstone or aerator it might help him recover faster?

Bah so sad.
I know And I totally blame myself for this!
Good call on the airstone idea. Will have to pick one up....
I am kinda glad the fuzz fell off. But it's just more confusing now....y'know? ARG. I should have bred him while I had the chance, he is truely the most beautiful fish (well to me and hubby). There was just something about him.... *sigh* I could have at LEAST passed it on. Thought it would not have helped because HE is awesome!
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Ok an update!

Yesterday he was getting better it seemed, hardly any fuzz left, more active, etc.

This morning I wake up, and it's all grown back....even more so than before! But only on the ends of his fins where it is red!

He is on a mix of Maroxy, Maracyn, and Maracyn II with a bit of salt.

I am SO FRUSTRATED!!!!

I have been talking with another breeder who has used the 'razor knife treatment' for different ailments. I am thinking that this may be a good idea....I can carefully cut off the bad ends and put him into a salt bath afterwards and then back into his tank which would be clean and re-medicated....

Drastic, yes, but at this point what other options do I have? He is laying there getting worse!!!!



I have also put the fallen off fungus from the other day into a cup with a freeze dried bloodworm. The bloodworm is covered. Does this mean fungus for sure? It's almost a green/grey color.

Any more advice before I take this drastic measure? It has to happen today, I fear he will not last if something is not done....




Thanks in advance!
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I've heard that if the disease is also ravaging his insides, you'll have to feed medicated food to cleanse his body as well. In this case, it wouldn't matter how clean his environment is, he'd still have the bacteria/parasite in his system.

Man I'm so sorry for such a horrible illness! Oh, a stupid and obvious question, you are doing water changes daily right lol
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I've heard that if the disease is also ravaging his insides, you'll have to feed medicated food to cleanse his body as well. In this case, it wouldn't matter how clean his environment is, he'd still have the bacteria/parasite in his system.

Man I'm so sorry for such a horrible illness! Oh, a stupid and obvious question, you are doing water changes daily right lol


OH I just got some serious advice from a fish pharm company. They said it's PARASITES!!!! I have noticed him twitching and freaking out all of a sudden, but it's so rare that he does it. She said the fungus is a secondary thing and that I need to get something called PraziPro. She seemed pretty darn sure from my description and apparently it's not bad yet if it's at the tips of his fins!

I'm off to the pet store now to find this stuff, hopefully I can find it!


And the water changes....I do RELIGIOUSLY especially now. No more 50% either....full on 100% stuff.

Oh and she also said not to use salt. Strange!

Will update!!!!
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Wow glad you found some advice! Hope he starts showing recovery with that treatment :D
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Wow glad you found some advice! Hope he starts showing recovery with that treatment :D


Ok so here is what happened. I found a fish speciality shop who said they had the stuff in stock. When I went, they made a mistake, it was sold out. When asked what the ailment was, I tried to explain, and the guy was like, ohhh man, you need to talk to our 'fish expert' he happens to be in right now.

The dude seemed to know what he was talking about when we chatted. I showed him pictures. He took me to the med section and went through what each ingredient did in each medication I was putting in.

I came home with some Malachite Green and a med that starts with a K....ends with a cin. He said this stuff (the 'K' one) was good because it's easier for Bettas to absorb....because they breathe air, a lot of the other meds were not as effective. He took a look at the pics and listened to my description and time line of events and doubted it was paracites. It seems like some kind of bacterial infection and the fungus is just a secondary thing attacking the dying flesh. Makes sense. It also makes sense because I have been using a higher PH water in Arizona (reverse osmosis stuff) which can help fungus thrive apparently (hard water). I will be switching back to the soft spring water soon, let me tell ya!

I am also doubting parasites now, because this has been going on for 4 days, do they not move around and attack other areas? I guess bacteria can too, I don't know, but I've been keeping that at bay with salt and other stuff.

As for the very rare JERKING around that I saw, which could mean parasites, I've only seen him do it a couple of times, and believe me I've been watching this fish like a hawk, lol! Dude at the pet store said it can also be from the irritation....


Oh Plato, SPEAK TO ME! Tell me what is wrooooonggggg!


Anyhoo, I was doing 100% water changes daily but for him I will do this twice. Why? Because this morning while going to change it for the day, I noticed the darn fungus surrounding a cat hair that got in there! I mean this stuff is WEIRD it attacks everything. Grrrrr!



So todays treatment consisted of cutting off the bad part of his tail with the fungus, giving him a salt bath, and putting him in the new cocktail of meds. All of this fussing has stressed him out, he is just laying there. I feel so bad. He is breathing a bit harder now, but maybe that is because of the meds. I am about to hook up an airstone for him.

His dark eyes have turned a light blue....something that happens when he's either sleeping or sick....and it's not night time, sooooo....not cool. I am very worried.

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