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Old 05-26-2011, 11:08 AM   #1 
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When is it time to euthanize?

PeeWee got very sick a month or so ago, aside from issues I had not noticed causing ammonia burns, I took him to the vet and she concluded he has TB. I've made arrangements already for putting him down when the time comes, but he's been fine behaviorally since then, eating copiously, swimming fine and coming when he's "called" but his color continues to change and he's developed pop-eye in both eyes now. He was building bubble nest but since the pop-eye he hasn't and now his fins are changing colors too, some red streaks and some bright blue ones, as apposed to his dull blue that he's always had. He's still eating fine, so I'm hesitant to put him down, but I know that he will eventually die from this.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:13 AM   #2 
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Please fill this out and maybe we can help you find a way to treat him...

Housing
What size is your tank?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have a filter?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
How often do you feed your betta fish?

Maintenance

How often do you perform a water change?
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)?
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:07 PM   #3 
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Adding on to this, most people do not euth their fish unless you can tell they are miserable, like constantly laying on their side on the bottom of the tank, getting emaciated from lack of food, heavy, shallow breathing, etc.

Pop-eye is caused by poor water quality... And so are ammonia burns. I recommend filling out as much of that list as you can so that we can help you. It might just come down to some medication to help with the pop-eye and more water changes.
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:54 PM   #4 
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This is from almost 2 months ago:


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My Betta Peewee is sick. He seems to be growing masses around his gills and a few darker spots above the masses. He's loosing color, the scales around his gills have turned silver. He's not eating as much as he usually does and spits out a lot of it. He isn't responding to his training light (he is a trained Betta) He will still come to see me when I get close to his tank but not with his usual enthusiasm and he's been spending the majority of his time beneath his filter.

Housing
What size is your tank? 1.5 gallons
What temperature is your tank? aprox. 75 degrees
Does your tank have a filter? Yes
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? yes
Is your tank heated? No
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? None

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? Tetra Betta Flakes, and blood worms as a treat or when training.
How often do you feed your betta fish? A pinch a day and during training sessions.

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change? Every week and a half
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? 100%
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? Betta bowl prep added to bottled spring water.

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?
No
Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? Color faded, nodular growths, silver scales, and dark circles above growths.
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? He's lethergic, unwilling to train, but pissy when he's in his small water changing bowl like always.
When did you start noticing the symptoms? A few days ago.
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? No
Does your fish have any history of being ill? No
How old is your fish (approximately)? 1 year
http://www.bettafish.com/newreply.ph...reply&p=659449

You had the proper 1st stage help for your fish, now it got worse and you are asking when it's time to kill it, I mean really?

Why do you even bother to ask for help when you clearly did not follow the guide lines?

I'm extremely confused here, please help me by explaining that.

If you want to save your fish, there's still time, but if you don't follow our help, it will die, and I'm being serious, your vet might be a vet and all, but people here in this forum has more experiences with betta fishes than that vet will ever had probably.
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Old 05-26-2011, 03:00 PM   #5 
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I would never euthanize a fish unless it was unable to eat. An animal is truly miserable if it is not willing to eat. If your fish is still eating, don't give up on him. fyi TB kills within days, they go down hill really fast, so I doubt you are dealing with TB, it sounds more like poor water conditions. Was the Vet a licensed FISH veterinarian or just your local Vet? I'm from a vet family and I know my parents would never be confident diagnosing a fish without proper training (they do small and farm animals). Even exotics vets don't know much about fish (I'm a small animal/exotics prevet so I'm talking from my experiences with exotics vets here and typically I've been telling them how to treat their fish lol). Please fill out the form...

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Old 05-26-2011, 03:33 PM   #6 
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I'm on my phone so I can't copy paste the form, but I did take your advice last time and he is now in a 5 gallon tank with a heater still with spring water but with extra nutrient addatives and that did heal his ammonia burns. He gets his water changed 50% every other day and 100% once a week. The vet is a fish specialist and works at the aquarium in town so I trust his dx of tb.
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Old 05-26-2011, 03:59 PM   #7 
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In a 5 gallon tank, that many changes isn't necessary. It could only be stressing him out. Knock it down to 1 50% and 1 100% each week. If it's TB he would be quite a dead fish at this point.

Why are you using bottled water?
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Old 05-26-2011, 04:07 PM   #8 
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FYI:

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DISEASE: TUBERCULOSIS uGENERAL INFO:
This is probably the deadliest of fish diseases, yet most people have never heard of it or know little to nothing about it. It can mimic a large variety of other diseases, making it hard to diagnosis. Only an autopsy can confirm mycobacteriosis. This is a slow blooming disease that may take up to 6 months to affect fish. Ultimately, the bacteria will attack the internal organs, especially liver and kidneys and cause organ failure (followed by sudden death). This is the only fish disease known to be contagious to man. The good news is, unless you have a very infected tank and stick your hands in there and have a big cut or a weak immune system, you will probably never catch it from sick fish. And even if you did, it will not kill you....... Now you can understand the importance of staying away from fish stores where you can see a lot of dead fish! Pick your fish suppliers very carefully and favor a store or breeder that has high hygiene standards in their fish rooms or stores...
uSYMPTOMS: Affected fish will start deteriorating for no apparent reasons, losing weight (or not), showing deformities (or not), having raised scales (or not), fin and body rot (or not), gray lesions (or not), red patches inside the belly (or not). Sometimes they will seem fine one day and be oh so very DEAD the next. The one thing all the bettas affected by this terrible diseases have in common is that they will all (as in every single last one of them) die.....
uTREATMENT: I am sorry to break the news to you but you will NOT win that war because there is NO cure. Furthermore you will probably have to throw away all bowl, tank and fish gear because regular bleach does not kill this nasty bug. My advice? Stay away from live food and from sickly looking pet store bettas and as I said select your fish suppliers carefully. Oh, and do a lot of praying ;).
From one of the best pages for betta diseases:
http://www.bettatalk.com/betta_diseases.htm

If you browse around that website she has a LOT of information about bettas - breeding, general care, etc.
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Old 05-26-2011, 04:47 PM   #9 
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Sorry you are having problems with your Betta again...sometimes stuff happens no matter what we do and especially with this bacteria....it can lay dormant in the fish for a long time before you start to see some of the more telling symptoms...

If you trust this vets diagnosis and this is Mycobacteriosis or fish TB and the vet should have told you this or done it for you.....you need to euthanize this fish now/today- and burn the body or bury it with lime....it is a gram positive bacteria and one of the few bacteria that can be passed on to us the hobbyist....wear gloves (especially if you have any open wounds on your hands) and wash your hands really good before and after handling the fish and supplies....the best way to disinfect supply and your hands is with iodine and let the tank sit dry for at least 10 days-toss any gravel, decoration, fake plants etc.......

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