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Old 08-19-2011, 06:54 PM   #31 
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Okay, Since lots of people are like "what?" I'll try again:

-Any tank with no filter having 100% water changes will have the chance of errors made by the fish owner each water change.
Yes, this is exactly my point. If you have a small tank or an unfiltered tank, the chances of error are VERY high. More so in a smaller tank than a large tank. Both large and small sizes of tanks have the threat of ammonia poisoning if there is no filter, but things will QUICKLY turn bad in a small tank than a large tank (assuming it is properly stocked), due to the small volume of water. I personally don't know anybody who does 100% water changes in anything larger than a 5 gallon, usually because they are filtered/cycled. However smaller water changes will also lessen the risk of error on the caretaker's part. For example if you forget dechlorinator. In a tank with 100% change, that is ALL chlorinated water. If you have a larger, cycled tank, it may only be 25% of the water that is chlorinated, so it will be heavily diluted and may or may not be a severe threat to your fish.

I'm not saying small tanks are bad, I'm saying that they are NOT suitable for beginners/children, who are more likely to make mistakes than experienced aquarists.


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- The purpose of the main post was to adjust to your fishes temperament which you disagreed with but then in your post you agreed with it since you pointed out how you re-homed some of your bettas. So I was more or less just wondering why you were against an opinion when in your post you supported it.

At least it came across that way to me. Maybe i missed something.
I'm not sure, I felt that the purpose of the main post was saying that they should be kept in small spaces because larger spaces will cause them to freak out and rip their fins; regardless of whether you slowly upgrade a tank or not.

Judging from the other posts that 1000000% agree with it, they seem to think that as well.

Maybe we just both misinterpreted, thanks for clarifying :D
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:40 PM   #32 
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Yah sometimes my explanations are not as clear, when you are bilingual sometimes you try to express your point but the vocabulary doesn't exist the same in one language as the other. I run into that wayyy too often. My wife can't stand it, I will say something and she'll ask me to restate it since it came out grammatically in spanish with english words.

But yah basically I just feel the point of the story is be ready to rehome them if they aren't happy.
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Old 08-24-2011, 03:59 PM   #33 
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Understanding behavior

Its not that the long heavy fin males are not active...some are.....some more than others...but this species by design is a more sedate fish...or not one that is in constant movement like a tetra or guppy...they still like to explore...don't misunderstand.....

Take their feeding habit for example....surface feeder (upturned mouth), opportunistic-ambush type feeder...this tells you that normal behavior would be a fish that sits at the top of the tank waiting for food...not one out and about hunting-not that they don't hunt-they do-but not like other species that are hunters...Then you have spawning behavior that can tell you this as well....being nest builders- tell you that the male stakes out a small territory waiting at the surface for a mate.... by understanding natural behaviors can help you understand normal and abnormal behavior in a closed system to help you better understand how to house them to meet needs to limit stress that can compromise the immune response.....

A Betta in constant movement is not normal behavior for this species...it can be due to-something wrong with the water, internal/external parasite, other illness, surface area, insecure, neurotic behavior related to genetics, breeding...etc......

Your Betta should swim around the tank and explore on occasion with a central location that he will retreat to and rest, wait for food, build a nest...etc........

When you walk in the room and/or come near the tank-the Betta should come alive, get excited-even do some glass surfing, hopping/jumping out of the water, wag its tail and beg for food......once fed and/or you are out of sight....he should retreat back to his spot and/or will explore at this time seeking any missed food..........

Although, you hear/read a lot about caves for this species....its true, they do need a hiding place to feel secure....but if you gave them a choice between something on the bottom or something on the top that provided equal cover/sense of security...they would pick the one at the top due to being a surface dwellers......

Some hobbyist base tank size needs on the "1 inch/gallon" rule and this is a great rule when stocking fish that reach 1-2 inch as an adult, its not intended for fish that adult size is over 2 inch...otherwise-we could stock a 10gal tank with a 10 inch Oscar and we all know that is wrong.....

Several other factors involved in regards to stocking an tank setup-swimming, feeding, spawning habits, territory, social needs, chemistry, temp, special-need factors related to body shape, fins...etc.....

You also have to take into account that this is a man-made fish with abnormal fins.......long heavy fins of the male Betta has special needs....

When picking the tank to house a single long fin male...look for longer rather than tall, limited water movement, add items that go all the way to the top, large leaf plants-live is better-but silk will work well too, smooth substrate, careful with items that can pinch long fins like large glass stones and items that can snag delicate fins.....you also have to think about what you want too.....larger space give you more choices to decorate.... making/creating the perfect/neat little ecosystem that suits both your vision and meets the needs of the Betta.......

With some heavy fin males you need to increase tank size in steps....moving from 1gal to 2gal-3gal-5gal...etc.....to their tolerance and ability to hold their fins or keep them intact.....
For some Betta keepers they don't care if the fins get torn/ragged due to space/filters...its just cosmetic and as long as you prevent a secondary infection...nothing wrong with that view IMO....
But many Betta keepers like or work hard to maintain the beautiful flowing fins and part of the reason they got them to start........
Point being......its a give or take.....and sometimes you have to increase tank size in steps, sometimes you don't...

As long as you maintain water quality....1gal-4gal size tanks are fine in my opinion/experience....even for the beginner-with proper guidance and understanding to help them establish good habits for proper care in Betta keeping....

The Betta is a great species that can be successfully kept by any hobbyist of any age or experience level........if they are willing to learn and do the work.......

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Old 08-24-2011, 04:52 PM   #34 
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Sometimes I don't always agree with everything you post OFL, but I have to say the above was very well-stated and I can't find a single point of contention.

It's been nearly a week since my imported male started living in his bare-bottom tank (no filtration and only a couple of handfuls of java moss). There is not a single sign of biting or damage I can see.

I would definitely recommend housing imported males or those with excessively sized fins in small(er) tanks until the muscle is there to cope with the space provided by a regular 10 gallon.
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:16 AM   #35 
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I personally don't know anybody who does 100% water changes in anything larger than a 5 gallon, usually because they are filtered/cycled.
I do a 100% change once a week on my 10 gallon - I do not have nor am I getting a filter, there is not any empty plugs. Either they get a heater or a filter and the heater won out. It's a major PITA because I have to take out most of the water and then lug it into the tub to dump out the rest and clean the gravel. It only houses two females though.

My 5 gallon isnt filtered either. Its a marineland hex and came with a built in bio wheel something or other. I may cycle it at a later date when I can get the master water test kit

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As long as you maintain water quality....1gal-4gal size tanks are fine in my opinion/experience....even for the beginner
I have to agree. My second betta had bad ammonia burns? and his fins...well he looked like this:
http://www.bettafish.com/picture.php...ictureid=16142
I got a 1 gallon from walmart because I didnt know if he would make it or not.
His color returned and his fins grew back in about a month.

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Old 08-25-2011, 08:07 AM   #36 
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I do a 100% change once a week on my 10 gallon - I do not have nor am I getting a filter, there is not any empty plugs. Either they get a heater or a filter and the heater won out. It's a major PITA because I have to take out most of the water and then lug it into the tub to dump out the rest and clean the gravel. It only houses two females though.
Is it glass or acrylic?

If it's a standard glass tank I'd be real careful doing it this way; or consider taking out the substrate. Over time you might end up weakening your seals carrying it around with too much weight on the bottom.

Of course it might never leak, but I am paranoid about such things so I always err on the side of caution. ;) I still have nightmarish fantasies about waking up one day to see water on my floor around my larger tanks, but I am the paranoid sort.
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:45 AM   #37 
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I have that nightmare too. -__-
But if its very little water, I'm sure it wont be a problem, I'd be more worried about the gravel cracking the glass by mistake lol! Although, I'm sure Tiki's gravel must be the small kind. :)
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Old 08-25-2011, 10:10 AM   #38 
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Is it glass or acrylic?
I have no idea. I found it at one of the transfer sites (AKA dump) in the "free crap" section. I'm gonna go with glass though. Isnt arcrylic like a plastic??


I take out as much of the water as I can, its normal gravel but it doesnt weigh very much at that point. I bough a gravel syphon 2 weeks ago but I cant get it to suck up the water.

What i'm paranoid about is that Alaska is part of the ring of fire and is a hotbed of seismic activity. we get alot of earthquakes everyday but they are so tiny most people dont feel them or they are in some remote location where no one lives. All my tanks are on those industrial shelves that hold like 150 pounds per shelf. Im afraid we are going to get a fairly strong one and it will knock the shelf over and there go all my fishies

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Old 08-25-2011, 11:11 AM   #39 
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So, I am confused here. I had Lakitu since May 4th (or so) and he'd been living in a 1.75 litre keeper that he came with until 2 days ago. There was no gravel, filter or heater and he was fine. Totally fine in our eyes. Quick to respond, fan out his fins, watching us ... I felt bad and bought him a 1 gallon 2 or 3 days ago and it has a bubbler and an attached light. He loves this one too I think bc he's obsessed with bubbles.

When I got this tank and posted on the other forum I'm on the aquatic specialist suggested a heater, a larger tank, the whole she-bang. I'm also religious about cleaning. His tiny tank got cleaned every 2-3 days. I'm no fool. I read up before getting him that frequent water changes were necessary if I wanted to keep him in something that size. No problem. I have no qualms with keeping things clean (I have a geriatric dog and messy bunny too) Plus I've kept turtles and aquariums before.

So this thread threw me for a loop. If he's acting fine in the 1 gal so I need to upgrade and is a filter even necessary? The heater is a must as well? I'm finding so many contradictions now I don't know what to do!
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So this thread threw me for a loop. If he's acting fine in the 1 gal so I need to upgrade and is a filter even necessary? The heater is a must as well? I'm finding so many contradictions now I don't know what to do!
This is a topic that is heavily debated on ANY forum that deals with fish, be it tropicals in general or just bettas.

I know it's confusing, but the best thing you can do is make the decision you feel is best. Minimum tank size is just one of those things in regards to bettas that will be debated until the end of time.
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