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Old 08-26-2011, 05:17 PM   #11 
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I just went downstairs and traced pipes. I may have the entire house on the softener....going to try to further determine.

If I can find a non softened tap- gotcha. When I filled the tank, I used softened water. Do I need to change more?

If I don't have ready access to non softened water, what would you suggest?

I still will use the gravel a seed a cartridge in my friends tank...how long would you keep the cartridge in his tank?
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Old 08-26-2011, 05:29 PM   #12 
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Out side faucet maybe........

I would let the filter media seed in their filter box for at least 2 weeks...if the tank is mature/established/healthy (over 4months)....
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Old 08-26-2011, 05:39 PM   #13 
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It really looks like the entire house is softened. Bummer. Do I have another option?
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Old 08-26-2011, 05:42 PM   #14 
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OK on the Hardness thing ( KH & GH )
{ I will try not to get long winded }

The general consensus is Soft water is better than hard...
When fish are said to prefer ``soft'' or ``hard'' water, it is GH (not KH) that is being referred to.

Because every adjustment you make to your water be it

PH
Liquid supplements
Fertilizers
Live plants

Effects General Hardness ( GH ) and Carbonate Hardness ( KH )

And usually make water harder most the 5 in 1 Dip Test kits that test for General hardness not KH...

To get Accurate GH & KH you need something like this...
http://www.petsolutions.com/storefro...ssTestKit.html

General Hardness Chart

0 - 4 dH, 0 - 70 ppm : very soft
4 - 8 dH, 70 - 140 ppm : soft
8 - 12 dH, 140 - 210 ppm : medium hard
12 - 18 dH, 210 - 320 ppm : fairly hard
18 - 30 dH, 320 - 530 ppm : hard

What it If you wants to harden your water a little limestone in the tank can do that, Mind you this will effect your PH...
Clay based substrates also Increase General Hardness...

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Old 08-26-2011, 06:23 PM   #15 
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The OP is not trying to soften the water...he has a water soften unit on his house...an ION exchanger...

New hobbyist really shouldn't try to change the pH, GH/KH until/unless they have a good understanding of the chemistry involved......too big of a risk of swings that can kill the fish......

This is a domesticated fish that has not seen its native waters and after years of being farm/home raise they have adapted to a more basic to higher pH and harder water.......

You don't have an outside faucet that you can get your water........whole house... dang......you can use the softener water too....it just not great for long term health......you may not have a choice other than buying water and re-mineralizing it......
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OFL

I was aware of that, I was merely stating Softened water is not the issue as he was looking for the a non softened source

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Old 08-26-2011, 07:17 PM   #17 
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Home water softener unit that use salt to soften water-strip the water of essential mineral ions and exchanges them with sodium...this unbalanced water can effect osmoregulation that can severely stress the fish...it also make a stable KH/GH near impossible due to the mineral depletion.....generally not healthy for the fish long term health.....
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Okay, I'm back. After bribing my Dad with dinner, we were able to determine that I have an indoor source for NON SOFTENED water. Problem solved.

I have a new filter cartridge attached to my friends tank, and was able to borrow some gravel from his tank as well. I will be doing the 50% water change and putting the gravel in nylons shortly.

At this point, the only question I have is what to do about the initial water in the tank (softened water). Doing a 50% change will take care of part it, should I be concerned over the remaining water? Before the fish goes in, another 50% change will take place.

Thanks again everyone for chiming in. I'm sure I'll have more questions.....
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You will be making another 50% before you add the Betta...so all should be good.....and great that you found a source of water.....
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