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Old 08-31-2011, 04:27 PM   #1 
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I think my Betta is "throing up" his food?.. :/ ( not spitting it out )

edit: throwing*** >.<

when he eats he makes funny motions.. he tosses his head and puff up his beard ( but not in the flaring way; like he's trying to force something ), then he makes really big yawning movements... just yesterday or a few days earlier he began spitting it back out, and today it looked like he actually heaved it back up... is there something it could be other than parasites? his waste looks normal... anything else that could block eating or be bothering him?






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exact behavior if needed: as mentioned on another board I just got home yesterday after an unexpectedly extended trip due to the hurricane... last night was my first night back with him and he rejected one of his pellets... showed no interest in it; finally got him to see it, he sniffed it, then swam away. I added another thinking maybe it got soft, because he usually doesn't like soaked food, and waited this time to make sure he saw before I dropped it in. He ate this one, then spat it back out again. it looked like he was just being picky, so I decided to wait and see what he'd do tomorrow. this morning my mom fed him early, so I wasn't up yet. she said he ate it really eagerly, although I doubt she waited to see if he spat it back up...
this evening I went to feed him again. he seemed really happy at first, he grabbed the first pellet. then he made a little funny action and spat it out. he caught it as it was falling and tried again, kept it down for half a minute, then as I dropped the other in, he made a heaving motion and it flew out :/
I've seen him spit put food before, but this was different.. he's also less active than usual, hides more and acts kindof sulky... sometimes all he'll do is lay on his leaf bed for an hour or so and won't move unless you get his attention...

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Old 08-31-2011, 05:10 PM   #2 
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We need some more information...if you can fill out the sticky at the top of this section and post...that will help us....more information the better.....
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:35 PM   #3 
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Housing
What size is your tank? 2.5 ( hospital )
What temperature is your tank? 75-82
Does your tank have a filter? not the hospital one.
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? no
Is your tank heated? again not the hospital one, the main one is. I add the warm water manually.
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? none

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? aqueon betta food pellets. sometimes freeze-dried blood worms but not in a very long time.
How often do you feed your betta fish? two in the morning, two at night. fast on Mondays usually although not the last week or two as I've been gone and had to leave him in neighbor's care. no-one around here who owns fish :/
caretakers did not do any water changes, and one left all the waste in over a week's period. -______- think this may be how he got the second case of finrot.....

Maintenance

How often do you perform a water change? at least 50 daily, going to try to change this to a little less daily or 50 every other day though.
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? see above,
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? just Prime. I had FW AQ salt for a bit due to finrot, but it didn't seem to help so I stopped. ( fresh water API )

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters? no, but just did a water change. can check anyway if needed.

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? shortened tail ( caudal ) due to fin rot, not ripped or torn, just evenly jagged all the way down vertically. like someone pulled it off or cut it with jagged-edged scissors :/
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? in addition to the eating-behaviors listed originally, there's also:
sulks more, less active, less excited about water changes ( used to love it when the water heated up ) no flaring lately, sleeps on his leaf for an hour sometimes :/ hides a lot and mopes. top fin, dorsal I think? is also kindof twisted funny.
he's a smooth-edged blue ( maybe steel? ) VT. though his coloring is really dull. ( always has been ) it was getting better for awhile in the hospital tank, even almost lustrous, but it's mostly gone back now :/

When did you start noticing the symptoms? started seeming a bit off a few weeks ago, after the first case of fin rot. started to get notably worse just maybe a week ago though. and got really noticeably weird when I got home just yesterday. he was acting weirder than usual before I had to leave, but seemed to be getting along a little better till I got back.
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? tried AQ salt, half a teaspoon, and maybe a full one another time, though I don't think so. either way no help though.
Does your fish have any history of being ill? just issues with fins, never seen him act funny though till now :/
How old is your fish (approximately)? pet store fish, probably an adult though.
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:57 PM   #4 
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How long has he been in the hospital tank, how long have you had him, how often is he yawing-is it only when he is fed or does he do it a lot even when he is not fed...when you say acting "weird" what do you mean.....
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:38 PM   #5 
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I've had him since the 12th of May. he's been in the hospital tank for awhile, since the 7th of July. when his tail grew back the first time, it had these ruffles at the end like a half moon's, that just wouldn't go away. I hoped if I changed the water every day it would be able to heal up, so I left in the HT, but no luck.... the day before I left I got up really early so I could give him a good water change before I had to go. he yawned REALLY big then, but only once and I figured maybe because I'd just woken him up. I only notice it when I'm feeding him, not a regular basis, though I can try to watch him for awhile and see if I'm just missing it...

weirdness-wise...
well he was having issues with his fin ofcourse... I'd gotten it healed up except a tiny triangle ( not bitten, where the tear had been, and it had healed back together except for that part ). I'd given it a week or so but seen no improvement, so I thought maybe it was just permanent, and I added in some new plants. I rinsed them really thoroughly, but either they had bacteria on them still somehow, or they had started to die and released a ton of ammonia, because overnight a day later, his fins just went way down-hill. several tears and pinholes. that's when I added him to the hospital tank.
he did that thing some where they look at you super pitiful and wounded-like >.< so I guess you could say he seemed a tad dejected. but for the most part he seemed okay. and kept acting fine, and the looks kinda died down and the fins healed up except for the ruffles. I kept him in the HT hoping they'd completely heal, and started adding in warm water when I did water changes. he really seemed to love that, got all perked up and started flaring and swimming around like mad and parading everywhere. his fins unclamped for the first time since the petshop, and I was starting to see luster in his color, and more blue color. for awhile it was great. then I dunno what happened... for a week or several he was grand, then slowly he started to get less active at water changes, not as excited.. I thought it was laterish at night so maybe he was just sleepy.. he still seemed pretty okay. my parents made me leave on vacation for a week, left him in the care of a neighbor.. less food, no water changes, no interaction... she didn't even bother to remove his waste. all I could do was fix the water and not trust her with him again though. he was a little moody with me, hid from me a lot and gave me looks and wouldn't flare or swim around me, but he was just being moody. with my family or if I left he was fine. so I went back to regular changes and all. he was less excited about them, even more so now, but I thought maybe he was just mad at me still. his appearance also had lost color again, and looked a little pale, but the paleness went away and returned to the dull color, and it didn't really get the luster back, but I figured it'd take time. over that week he seemed to warm back up well enough all things considered, not completely back, but mostly. he still stayed in the cup more than he used to, and occasionally I'd notice him just laying on his leaf for thirty minutes to an hour... if you got his attention he'd check you out, then go back to just laying there.... and he didn't seem as fond of the water changes, again. I also noticed at one point he seemed to start to flare during a water change, and then abruptly stop, or only half-way do it. the tossing of the head and the mildly puffing up during eating also began somewhere in this point. then my parents told me we'd have to leave three days to take my brother to college. definitely not happy, but no choice, so I just kept trying to fix the water.. a few days before we left, I noticed his caudal fin had some "rays" on it. I also noted that the fin had very hard-to-see rusty brown edges. but I know regrowth can be dark sometimes, so I figured I'd just have to watch it.
I did a water change, added in less than half a teaspoon of AQ salt, ( it's not filled to the top because there's no lid )
and had to hope for the best.
then the hurricane came, and we couldn't get home, so our trip ended up being maybe five days instead... my dad flew home right before it came in, so I asked him to feed him and remove waste... I don't know if the person who kept him for three days removed it or not, but if he didn't, my dad did remove it. when I came home I could see his tail was much shorter... and looked as described above.. I haven't added anymore salt, but have done several water changes. I don't know how he acted in the care of the neighbors or my dad, but I noticed he was very indifferent to everything, just kindof drifted and floated around. he'd been doing this occasionally before we left, but not enough to worry me. now he does it most of the time, or hides/sleeps. occasionally I'll glance over and seem him swimming like he used to, but it's far less often and more times he's doing the other now..
I was hoping that maybe with so little going on he'd become a hermit, but now this eating has me worried. it started with the head jerks, not sure if he's always done that and I just never saw, or if it's new... then the mild puffing, then the mild puffing and yawning, then the ignoring and spitting out, and now the forcing it out with the clear puffing/shoving motion.. the last time he grabbed it, spat it out, tried to eat it again, held it down for half a minute or so, then did the shoving thing. I think he swallowed it, but he didn't keep it down for some reason. my mom claims she saw him eat both pellets this morning with vigor.... I tried soaking one in case it was too hard, but he hardly even looked at it.

he also swims with his nose pointing to the ground more lately, kindof like he's glass surfing, but doing so on the bottom 0-o
he used to do this in his large tank, but he'd just find a spot where the rocks were gone, look at his reflection for a second, play with it, and then swim off. he seems to swim fine when he's not doing that, so I don't think it's swimbladder.
he also swam sideways the other day along the bottom rapidly, but he was scooting through the coffee mug handle and couldn't get through any other way. ( he likes to play with small spaces, he LOVES squeezing and weaving through them. )
I think that covers it ;-;"""
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:41 PM   #6 
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Not really sure what that is... Maybe he's just becoming a grumpy old geiser?
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Old 08-31-2011, 06:47 PM   #7 
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haha, I hope :(
is it normal for them to have a lump on their underside right behind their head? or could that be a tumor? that's really all I can think of... his waste looks totally normal so surely it's not parasites. <T^T>
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Old 08-31-2011, 08:11 PM   #8 
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update: while my mother was washing her hands I noticed him dancing around like he usually does when he wants food. since I didn't manage to feed him earlier I told her out of curiosity to see if he'd take it from her. obnoxiously enough, when she tried it, HE DID. and he didn't even yawn I think .-.
I tried to feed him his other while she was standing there and he took it then hid. when I left he came back out and started playing with her again, so I'm wondering if he's just pissed at me after all >.>
I'm going to try and feed him tomorrow morning and see what he does, but for tonight he seems all good. who knew facial recognition to be so lame? haha. if he starts back with me tomorrow I'll go get my mom right away and see how he reacts. thanks guys. <3
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