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Old 09-05-2011, 09:54 AM   #1 
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Exclamation Need help with Betta Revive ASAP!

Hello there,
I bought my Betta girl from Petco about 2 weeks ago. I just started the Betta Revive treatment in my 2 gallon Petco Hexagon tank with filter for one small female Crowtail Betta, this friday. I am on day 3 of the treatment in a brand new tank (I noticed signs of Velvet AFTER I upgraded her to a bigger tank than a 1.5 Marina gallon cube) and have been seeing great results with this blue stuff. The rust color around her gills are smaller and she seems less "gold sparkled" on her neck area, so something is definitely happening and the protozoan is being killed off. It helps that I put a small heater which keeps the tank at 82 degrees and have put binders around the tank to shield her from light.

I check on her periodically (I am obsessed with my little finned friend) and she is very playful and immediately comes to the front to say hello, eats all the time (I give her Hikari gold pellets). She seems to really enjoy her new bigger home and has all this space being she is 1.5 inches long! I know I am catching this early because she is not scratching herself like crazy or acting sick at all. Thank GOD. BUT....

My question is this: I have not done a water change because it seems like the medication is supposed to stay in its concentrated form in order to do its duty, but should I be changing her water partially while on this stuff because she still goes to the bathroom?

Have any of you had good experience and know how to use Betta Revive?, the directions are extremely confusing and vague. I would greatly appreciate the help or guidance :)

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Old 09-05-2011, 10:12 AM   #2 
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I would be doing 100% water changes daily. That is what is #1 on healing a fish. Do the water change and add in the treatment each time for the 7 days or however long it tells you to use it.
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:14 AM   #3 
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Velvet
•Symptoms: Can be found by shining a flashlight on your betta. If it looks like it is covered in fine gold of rust colored dust then it has velvet. Clamped Fins, no appetite, darting/rubbing, loss of color, lethargic
•Treatment: It is very contagious so you should treat the entire tank. Treat as you would treat Ick. PP•Potassium Permanganate (PP) is also my favorite for treating Velvet.

Ick
•Symptoms: Betta has white dots (looks like he was sprinkled with salt) all over his body and head, even eyes. Lethargic, No appetite, Clamped Fins, Might dart and scratching against decor
•Treatment: You can treat Ick either conservatively or with medication. Ick is a parasite. Because ick is contagious, it is preferable to treat the whole tank when one fish is found to have it. Ick is temperature sensitive: Leave your betta in the community tank and raise temperature to 85 F. Then you can choose to treat with salt or medication. Conservative: Add 1 tsp/gal Aquarium Salt 3 times, 12 hours apart so that you end up with 3 times the normal concentration. Perform daily 100% water changes to remove fallen parasites before they can reproduce. Replace the water with the right amount of salt. Do not continue this treatment for more than 14 days. If it fails or you do not want to use salt, treat with Jungle’s Parasite Clear, API Super Ick Cure, or Kordon Rid Ich Plus. If your betta lives in a jar/bowl, then it can be difficult to heat the water. There are heaters for smaller containers, but you can also float the quarantine container in a larger heated tank during treatment. Do a full water change every day and add an appropriate amount of medication to the water.
•Alternative Treatment: Personally, I have not found Ick medications very effective. I prefer to use PP to treat all external parasites. In the past, I have used 3 or 4 different ick medications unsuccessfully, and every time I resort to PP which works like a charm. Do lots of research before using PP as it is a more dangerous chemical than most.

http://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=73332
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:23 AM   #4 
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Thank you for the quick reply!

why in the HECK would the Petco fish specialist say to not change her water for 7 days until the treatment?!

Have you had alot of experience working with Betta Revive? Also do you think whole water changes will stress her out every day moving her out of the tank?
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:38 PM   #5 
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Wildflowers, bit of advice: don't listen to anything a pet store employee has to say. 99% of the time they don't know what they're talking about, they're just repeating what they've been told to say.

As for the water changes, the benefits of the water change will outweigh the stress she might go through. To minimize that stress, leave her in the tank and take out as much water as possible until she has just enough to keep swimming in. Cup her with a plastic cup and then dump the rest of the water out. Refill with conditioned water roughly the same temp, redose the medicine, stir a few times, and then add/acclimate your girl.

Velvet is very hard to treat and also, many bettas have a gold iridescence that is commonly mistaken for velvet. The difference is in velvet, you will still see individual spots, just smaller than ich spots. Here's a pic of a Petco betta with real velvet, if it helps you. If your girl doesn't look like this, I would stop the Betta Revive. It has some pretty powerful meds in there and it's best not to medicate unles absolutely necessary.
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I hope this helps you and good luck with your girl.
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Old 09-06-2011, 12:14 AM   #6 
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Wildflowers:

If you scoop her into a clear cup like the one she came in, they usually dont mind so much (mine anyway) if it's dim that will help ease her stress.

Be sure to float her in the new water and acclimate her properly and she should be fine. Like I said in the other thread, I do 100% every day as well if someones sick!
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:55 PM   #7 
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Velvet
•Symptoms: Can be found by shining a flashlight on your betta. If it looks like it is covered in fine gold of rust colored dust then it has velvet. Clamped Fins, no appetite, darting/rubbing, loss of color, lethargic
•Treatment: It is very contagious so you should treat the entire tank. Treat as you would treat Ick. PP•Potassium Permanganate (PP) is also my favorite for treating Velvet.

Ick
•Symptoms: Betta has white dots (looks like he was sprinkled with salt) all over his body and head, even eyes. Lethargic, No appetite, Clamped Fins, Might dart and scratching against decor
•Treatment: You can treat Ick either conservatively or with medication. Ick is a parasite. Because ick is contagious, it is preferable to treat the whole tank when one fish is found to have it. Ick is temperature sensitive: Leave your betta in the community tank and raise temperature to 85 F. Then you can choose to treat with salt or medication. Conservative: Add 1 tsp/gal Aquarium Salt 3 times, 12 hours apart so that you end up with 3 times the normal concentration. Perform daily 100% water changes to remove fallen parasites before they can reproduce. Replace the water with the right amount of salt. Do not continue this treatment for more than 14 days. If it fails or you do not want to use salt, treat with Jungle’s Parasite Clear, API Super Ick Cure, or Kordon Rid Ich Plus. If your betta lives in a jar/bowl, then it can be difficult to heat the water. There are heaters for smaller containers, but you can also float the quarantine container in a larger heated tank during treatment. Do a full water change every day and add an appropriate amount of medication to the water.
•Alternative Treatment: Personally, I have not found Ick medications very effective. I prefer to use PP to treat all external parasites. In the past, I have used 3 or 4 different ick medications unsuccessfully, and every time I resort to PP which works like a charm. Do lots of research before using PP as it is a more dangerous chemical than most.

http://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=73332
I'm trying to treat my fish for velvet as well, and have been following the sticky, but I'm confused with the directions. No one's replying to my thread anymore, and since it's been brought up, I figured I would ask directly on a different one ^.^
Anyway, I'm using aqua salt at the moment, and I know I'm supposed to do daily 100% changes, but what it says above is somewhat contradicting. It says:

"Add 1 tsp/gal Aquarium Salt 3 times, 12 hours apart so that you end up with 3 times the normal concentration."

From what I understand with this, that means I shouldn't change the water every day, but every other day, otherwise if I were to space out every dose 12 hours apart, then I'd only get 2x's the concentration instead of 3.... Or is it supposed to be within a 12 hour period, I'm supposed add 3x's the concentration? It's so confusing and I don't want to over/under dose my fish >.<
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Old 09-06-2011, 04:10 PM   #8 
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From what I learned from my dad, and im not sure if this is true at all, AS is good to treat infections and to take away the acidic contents of the tank. I dont think you can overdose with salt haha, he basically shoved 3tbsp at least into my 1 gallon and my fish was really healthy after that.

Also, I used betta revive, and what I did is put it in at one specific time, then the next day i would do a water change around the same time, and after the water change i would put in betta revive. My guy sorta made a game out of it whenever i had to take him out. He would dart around and not let me catch him :).

Sorry if what i said about the AS is wrong, my dad had fish a long time ago, but they werent bettas, and I'm still new to this!
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I'm trying to treat my fish for velvet as well, and have been following the sticky, but I'm confused with the directions. No one's replying to my thread anymore, and since it's been brought up, I figured I would ask directly on a different one ^.^
Anyway, I'm using aqua salt at the moment, and I know I'm supposed to do daily 100% changes, but what it says above is somewhat contradicting. It says:

"Add 1 tsp/gal Aquarium Salt 3 times, 12 hours apart so that you end up with 3 times the normal concentration."

From what I understand with this, that means I shouldn't change the water every day, but every other day, otherwise if I were to space out every dose 12 hours apart, then I'd only get 2x's the concentration instead of 3.... Or is it supposed to be within a 12 hour period, I'm supposed add 3x's the concentration? It's so confusing and I don't want to over/under dose my fish >.<
Draug, treating velvet is really hard. What I did was put 3 tsps of AQ salt in the tank and do daily water changes, redoing the salt each time. Also, keep the heat up at 86* and keep the tank as dark as possible because velvet photosynthesizes. This is what I was told to do by the author of the sticky. I hope this helps you.
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Old 09-06-2011, 04:44 PM   #10 
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when i used betta revive i did 50 percent water changes every day
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