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Old 10-16-2011, 11:43 AM   #1 
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Ok, so after a few not-so-great tries both of my bettas are getting flirty! The male has finally made a bubble nest in his home and i am currently setting up the breeding tank! He is a multi colored veil-tale and she is a multi colored crown tale! Good fish for a first breed before i move on to the expensive fish! I have homes for all of the future spawns! My tank is a 5 gallon clear tub, with water at 80. Lots of plants and good spots for the nest. Tomorrow i introduce the female to the tank. Then on friday the male! A good weekend project! Can't wait.....

any suggestions and would love to see your working spawns to!
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Old 10-16-2011, 12:22 PM   #2 
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Ok, so after a few not-so-great tries both of my bettas are getting flirty! The male has finally made a bubble nest in his home and i am currently setting up the breeding tank! He is a multi colored veil-tale and she is a multi colored crown tale! Good fish for a first breed before i move on to the expensive fish! I have homes for all of the future spawns! My tank is a 5 gallon clear tub, with water at 80. Lots of plants and good spots for the nest. Tomorrow i introduce the female to the tank. Then on friday the male! A good weekend project! Can't wait.....

any suggestions and would love to see your working spawns to!

Congratulations on your first spawn! I learned on pet store fish as well, then after I needed to make room for my breeding stock, I gave them away on craigslist. I have heard people say that trying to give fish away wont work but my phone rang off the hook, so I would at least try it before anything drastic. I don't know about other breeders here, but from what I believe the male should be introduced first. In then wild it's the male who sets up his territory and nesting site, then the females swim around and choose which male they want to spawn with.
I would put the male inside the tank and then find a glass or vase that is clear and will fit in the tank. Take the female and put her into the glass, and then put the glass into the tank. Seeing the female will encourage him to build his nest. He should alternate between flaring at her and showing off his fins with blowing a bubble nest. Once he has the built nest, then release her. He will chase her around and he may tear up her fins a bit, but chances are it won't be that bad. Spawning usually happens within an hour or so. Keep an eye on them when they are spawning too because when they are done you MUST take the female out very quickly. Especially in a small tank.
I hope this helps

Good luck with the spawn and feel free to ask any questions !!
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Old 10-16-2011, 01:50 PM   #3 
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Did you get your grow out tank going? That 5 gallon won't be nearly enough.. honestly you should never use anything less then a 10 gal as the spawn tank. As well as all the jars, heaters, etc? I'm not trying to be rude, but from your other thread it sounded like you weren't completely ready for 100+ fry. Did you get the fry food started?

We gave you the links on how to do it properly and what you need... should really read up on that since it will give you all the basics such as how to introduce them properly, etc. I still don't think you realize how much money, time and space this is going to cost you.

I wish you luck for the sake of those hundreds of babies that may be brought into the world. You had some sound advice there, hope you took it all to heart. But it seems you missed some of it as you still haven't conditioned your fish =( I'd honestly do some more research first.

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Old 10-16-2011, 02:19 PM   #4 
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Here is the basics of what is needed to try to breed them. You can use it as a check off sheet to help:
Thank you MrVampire181!

Frozen foods
Atison Betta Pro (will be needed for juvenile fry as well).
Now let’s move on to the supplies needed to breed your pair:
One spawning tank. Your spawning tank should be no less than 10 gallons. Personally I have used several sizes of spawn tanks but 10 gallons seem to work the best. Now to save a little cash you can purchase a 66 quart (65L) tub from your local WalMart with a snap on lid. They’re bigger than a 10 gallon and won’t break as easily. It’s your choice.
One submersible, adjustable aquarium heater.Bettas are more likely to spawn in warmer water. You will need an adjustable and submersible heater (you’ll find out why) to keep the temperature about 80 to 85 degrees Fahrenheit.
A tight fitting lid or tank hood.If you’re using a plastic tub the snap lid will work just fine. With a 10 gallon you’ll need a tank hood with a light.
One sponge filter.You NEED to have a filter in your tank. With hundreds of little babies emptying their stomachs every 20 minuets a lot of waste will build up and you need a filter to keep the water clean.
Live plants.Live plants create infusoria which is an important food source for the fry’s first week of life. Also they help keep your water clean. I personally recommend Amazon Sword, Java Fern, Marimo Moss, Duckweed, and Horwort. Be sure to add plenty of them to your spawning tank.
Snails.Snails keep your tank clean by eating left over food and potentially dead fry.
A nest anchor.Your male will need a place to build his nest. You can use bubble wrap, Styrofoam, or various lids.
A glass chimney.So for anyone who doesn’t know…gas powered lanterns use a glass chimney around the flame. Often you can get these at a second hand store for next to nothing. This will be used to separate the female and the male.
A cave or hiding place.There’s a lot of fighting, chasing, and nipping during betta courtship. Your female will need a place to retreat to during the courtship process.
A light source.Whether it’s a designated tank hood or just a room light you will need a light source that can stay on for at least three days.
Air pump, tubing, control valves for sponge filter.
Thermometer
Indian Almond Leaves. Ever wonder how we breeders get spawns quickly and easily? It’s these leaves. They are found in Thailand and are a natural spawning inducer.
Fry related purchases:
Food. Microworms, vinegar eels, and baby brine shrimp are the most common. I highly recommend using all three.
A growout tank.You will need a tank or container of at LEAST 20 gallons to grow your fry. Once they reach about one month old the spawn tank is no longer a sufficient size container for the fry. Be sure the tank has a heater and hiding places.
Powdered fry food.When they start getting bigger the fry will need to start switching over from live food to pellet food. Powdered fry food like Atison’s Betta Starter is a great food to feed in addition to live food to slowly adjust them to pellet food.
Jars to separate the males.
Medications for Ick and Velvet.

And some considerations:
Are my fish breeding quality? Unless you can get a nice halfmoon pair from your local pet shop you should never breed your pet shop fish. Although now many chain stores such as PetCo and PetsMart offer nice males that can be bred in halfmoon, doubletail, halfmoon plakat, and delta forms. If you choose to breed a pet shop fish be sure they are not of the veil tail variety. Veil tails are not sanctioned in IBC shows and therefore are not breeding material. To save yourself the trouble it’s best to buy a nice sibling pair on an aquatic auction site such as www.aquabid.com.
Bettas can produce up to one thousand eggs in a single spawn. That means you will have hundreds of little babies swimming around and eventually will grow into adults. This means you will need space for a growout (minimum of 20 gallons), and potentially hundreds of jars to keep all the males. Now another reason to avoid pet shop fish is to be able to find homes for these fish. No one will want to buy a veil tail from you for $5 plus shipping when they can get one for $3 at their local pet shop.
Breeding bettas takes a lot of time and commitment. Tanks need cleaning everyday, young ones need feeding several times a day, and you need to watch them for outbreaks of disease. If you do not have time for this do not attempt to breed your bettas.
Breeding bettas is not cheap. The materials needed to breed a single spawn can cost up to $500. Be sure you have the funds to support your breeding.
Breeding bettas requires space. Trust me breeding them in your bedroom isn’t easy. Although it can be done you should try to dedicate a room specifically for your fish. You will need space for spawn tank/s, growout/s, jars, food, and supplies. Be sure you have enough space for this.

And this: Also what needs to be done prior to breeding, with videos
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:23 PM   #5 
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Start listening to the great advice you are being given. You are no where near ready to think about breeding, let alone attempting it.

This sort of child's play really shouldn't be encouraged. It's one thing if the OP is learning but when they are totally ignoring the advice given? I won't support that.

Do your research please! You have not answered one question Myates has asked you. Do you have fry foods? 30g+ grow out tank? Medication? Jars? 100+ homes? A means to heat Jars to right temps? I am interested in the replies to this. You're also not supposed to use the males home for breeding. What have you conditioned your pair with and for how long?
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:30 PM   #6 
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yes.yes.yes and yes haha. I have all the things (jars,meds,food ect.) I will start the the grow tank. thank you for all of the advice and help!
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Old 10-16-2011, 07:17 PM   #7 
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Did you get your grow out tank going? That 5 gallon won't be nearly enough.. honestly you should never use anything less then a 10 gal as the spawn tank. As well as all the jars, heaters, etc? I'm not trying to be rude, but from your other thread it sounded like you weren't completely ready for 100+ fry. Did you get the fry food started?

We gave you the links on how to do it properly and what you need... should really read up on that since it will give you all the basics such as how to introduce them properly, etc. I still don't think you realize how much money, time and space this is going to cost you.

I wish you luck for the sake of those hundreds of babies that may be brought into the world. You had some sound advice there, hope you took it all to heart. But it seems you missed some of it as you still haven't conditioned your fish =( I'd honestly do some more research first.
Yes you do sound rude and I am glad you noticed it before you even wrote your post. (it shows the emotional state that you were in when you wrote this post) Can you try to be more supportive? Breeding bettas does not cost a lot and it's not that hard to do. This is a myth. Sure if you wanna go by name brand everything and go big then yea it's gonna cost you. You can however scour craigslist like I did and find everything you need cheep and easy! Betty splendens.com has over 3 different ways to spawn and they are not all in a 10 gallon. Please try not to judge others and tell them how to live. I had enough of that at that UB forum.
I love this site specifically because it does NOT have this kind of posting. I understand if you are frustrated so maybe if you can't say anything nice you shouldn't have said anything at all.
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Old 10-16-2011, 07:34 PM   #8 
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^^^ Speaking of being rude.

There are people on here who believe that when you purposely bring a new life into this world, you do it properly. $500 per spawn is generous compared to what some knowledgable breeders on here suggest spawning costs. I haven't even embarked on my planned spawning, why? Because I don't feel I have the knowledge to do so properly. I have the equipment sure, but breeding bettas should be done to better the species not to satisfy someone curiosity about tossing two fish together. People complain about horrible care at a pet store but yet condone someone breeding that still needs time to polish their education about Bettas? Do you even care what happens when a person can't care for their spawn, or are those fish less worthy to you? I don't mean to sound rude myself, but look at the bigger picture here. Someone may get their feelings hurt (which the OP doesn't seem to mind the advice) but they will walk away more educated and their spawn will be thankful for that. I can't see where what you're doing helps anyone.
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yes.yes.yes and yes haha. I have all the things (jars,meds,food ect.) I will start the the grow tank. thank you for all of the advice and help!
Please don't let those posts upset you. There are many many ways to spawn betta's and people do it all the time successfully with all types of setup's. If you need some advice just PM me and I would be happy to help.
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^^^ Speaking of being rude.

There are people on here who believe that when you purposely bring a new life into this world, you do it properly. $500 per spawn is generous compared to what some knowledgable breeders on here suggest spawning costs. I haven't even embarked on my planned spawning, why? Because I don't feel I have the knowledge to do so properly. I have the equipment sure, but breeding bettas should be done to better the species not to satisfy someone curiosity about tossing two fish together. People complain about horrible care at a pet store but yet condone someone breeding that still needs time to polish their education about Bettas? Do you even care what happens when a person can't care for their spawn, or are those fish less worthy to you? I don't mean to sound rude myself, but look at the bigger picture here. Someone may get their feelings hurt (which the OP doesn't seem to mind the advice) but they will walk away more educated and their spawn will be thankful for that. I can't see where what you're doing helps anyone.
I apologize if you think I am being rude as I am not. I am only trying to protect a member on this site, and I would have done the same for you if it was you being picked on.
This is a spawn log not anyone's personal, soap box. If you want to make a thread about breeding pet store stock, or placing betta fry or what to do with unwanted fry, feel free to create a new thread. UB is FULL of exactly this kind of preaching and thread hijacking and I don't want to see it happen to this site. There are many people on this site who came here to get away from that kind of forum experience.

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