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Old 11-18-2011, 08:44 AM   #1 
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Hi there. Intro, pics, and help request

Hi folks.
I am new to this forum, just found you all this morning googling for some help. 4 hours later (I got sidetracked looking at all your aquariums pics!!!!) I decided to register.

I consider our family "newbies" to owning bettas, even though we have owned at least one for the last 3-4 years.

Our first bettas were Samual and Sarah. (from Petsmart)

We had them for almost 2 years before they passed. We had a huge icestorm here in KY and had no electricity/heat for over a week. Our only heat was a tiny heater run off a generator. Sadly both our babies made it till the LAST DAY before they passed. Samual passed away about 2 hours before they got the power back on.

We (my daughter and I) were heart broken, and I refused to buy another fish. Which lasted about a year. On her birthday Bug spent her own money and bought Fishelstein. We rescued him from from Walmart. Most of the fish they had out were dead in their little bowls!!!!!!!! He was gorgeous, and she refused to leave him there to die. So a few foot stomps and sarcastic "you dont love me!"s later... we brought him home.







He just celebrated 1 year in our home on the 11/11/11!

We are having an issue though, and I am worried.

For about the last two weeks, he has just been laying on his rocks, not swimming. He seems to not be able to float, or even right himself if he starts to teeter over. He does pop up for air every once in a while but he gets his air and sinks right back down. He doesnt seem to be having any other issues though. His little gills are not working hard, he is not bloated, no funny coloring, etc. From everything I am finding on line, its swim bladder infection? But I have done everything I have read for that - and still no better. We have fasted him, fed him a pea, and I tried epsom salt in his "spare apartment". Still, he just lays on the bottom, or like "stands straight up" against the glass.

For his home:
we have 2 (since we used to have 2 fish) 1.5 gallon bowls. I move him to his spare apartment on Friday, and clean the empty one. So he gets clean water every week. By clean I mean - I dump the bowl into a strainer and rinse the rocks. Rinse the bowl, and wipe it out with papertowels. Rinse the fake flowers. Put it all back together, refill, and treat with Start Right. That then sits there a week, until the next Friday when I move him back into that "apartment" (sorry - thats what my kiddo calls them, lol) and repeat the process with the dirty bowl. This process has worked for a year.

We haven't changed his food - he gets TopFin betta food and on Saturday he gets (I think its dried worms, would have to look). Its the same brands we used for our other bettas.

Im really worried about him! He doesn't look sick but I know NOT SWIMMING is not normal. Any ideas?

**after browsing this forum and seeing all your gorgeous tanks - we are going to go nab my hubs dad's 15 gallon out of storage. I did not realize that bowls were not adequate, since the tiny bowls are what Petsmart sold our first ones in, and we were told by the sales girl that THAT was all we needed. We got the bigger bowls only because I wanted more rocks and some plants for them! These bowls are all I have ever owned, so any tips/resources on setting up an aquarium would be appreciated!!

OMGosh! I wrote a book here, sorry!
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:06 AM   #2 
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First of all, welcome to the forum!
Happy to know that you're thinking of moving him to a bigger tank. That will help a lot. For a big tank, also think about buying a filter. Do you have a heater for your fishy? That's one of the most important things you can own with a thermometer. They do best at temperatures between 76 and 80. Maybe that would help him.

You could fill this out so we can help you better.
Housing
What size is your tank?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have a filter?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
How often do you feed your betta fish?

Maintenance

How often do you perform a water change?
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)?
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:20 AM   #3 
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Sorry, all the answers are mentioned above, just not in this format. Here's the form.

Housing
What size is your tank?
1.5 gal bowls (2 of them)

What temperature is your tank?
room temp, between 75-80 (my hubs keeps the upstairs too hot)

Does your tank have a filter?
no

Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
no

Is your tank heated?
no

What tank mates does your betta fish live with?
none


Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
topfin betta food and dried blood worms on saturdays.

How often do you feed your betta fish?
daily

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change?
weekly

What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
100%, but he alternates bowls weekly

What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?
start right solution

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?
NO

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
no

How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
yes

When did you start noticing the symptoms?
2-3 weeks ago

Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
yes
cleaning, fasting, pea, epsom salt

Does your fish have any history of being ill?
no

How old is your fish (approximately)?
no idea, we've had him a year and he looks the same size/color etc as he did the day we bought him - so I'd say he was an adult at the time of purchase.
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:36 AM   #4 
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welcome to the forum =]]

it could be possible depression, here is a link for symptoms, cures, etc for betta's:
http://www.bettatalk.com/betta_diseases.htm

i would warn you about the betta bite, cause you will start with one and you might have 10 lol, i had one (and a half-ish) and now i have 6 and i might gonna get my 7th today
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:45 AM   #5 
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Welcome! You're doing great so far - When I first started keeping bettas, I didn't realize I needed a heater and more room for them to swim and explore.
Just a note about temps - usually the water in the bowl/tank is about 2 degrees lower than that of the surrounding room temp. So if its 76 in the room the water temp is going to be about 74. Your little guy might be a bit happier in a few degrees warmer water and having some plants and hidey holes to explore :)
I love what you did with the graphics for Samual and Sarah. So pretty! I can't see the other pics you posted though. But its probably my computer :(
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:36 AM   #6 
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I read somewhere that in a small unfiltered container they need water changed every day. That would probably help :)
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:57 PM   #7 
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I think maybe he may just be cold. I took a heating pad - like for my back - and just kind of leaned it against the backside of the bowl, and he has now moved to the back side of the tank and is leaning up against the glass right where the pad it touching it.

The front side of the bowl, if I touch it does feel cold, not room temp.

This pad shuts itself off automatically after 10 minutes, so I guess I'll keep turning it back on every hour or two until I can find a heater or we get a tank instead of a bowl. Ran around looking for one today but didn't find one at Walmart or Kmart. The only heaters they had came in $100 aquarium startup kits. We do have a petstore here, but I refuse to buy anything in there because they get their puppies from puppy mills *fact*.
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The nearest Petsmart is over an hour away, and I have a sick child, so I can't head up there this weekend. I was looking online but I don't see anything made for a 1 gallon bowl. Smallest heater I see on Amazon was for a 2.5 gallon.

I know fluctuating temps are bad for him, but I don't want to see him suffer either. Do you think the heat bad is going to do more harm than good?
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:24 PM   #8 
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Hello and welcome to the forum. I think a heater would definitely perk him up. You can look for heaters at Drsfosterandsmith.com or MarineDepot.com. I hope this helps.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:39 PM   #9 
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Here is a thread with heater reviews if you're interested:
http://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=82735

I personally would recommend the 10Watt Marina heater for that size of tank. (but nothing larger). You can find them at Petsmart - although I know you said you can't get there quite yet.
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:49 PM   #10 
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Thanks, I think I am going to order the Hydor 7.5 watt for now. Thanks for all your help!
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