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Old 11-22-2011, 01:39 PM   #1 
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Al is sick

I think my Al is sick. He is old which is part of the problem but I hate to see him like this. He will be 4 in the new year. He is in a one gallon tank and has been quite happy and social in it. He is my 3rd beta and all of them have lived 4 or 5 years. No heater in the tank and he lives alone. Water is changed less than it likely should be.

After the last tank change, a week or so ago he was REALLY scared. Then we noticed he was having issues swimming. Then I noticed his top fin has a big almost perfectly round hole it it. THe hole doesn't seem to be getting better. He is more than happy to eat but he struggles to get to the surface then hides behind his plant. He will come out when he sees me and bet social still which is a good thing. I'm worried about swim bladder issues. This is my first post and I'm glad to have found you guys.

I put a tsp of epson's salt in his water just now and I'm crossing my fingers. Any input would be appreciated.
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Old 11-22-2011, 01:52 PM   #2 
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If you could fill these questions out as much as possible, it would be very helpful.
I'd do a 100% water change now, and add only the conditioner. Epsom salt is used only as a laxative and will not help with his swimming issue- if he's struggling to the top. I'd also lower the water to 4-5" so he can access the top better. :)


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Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
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What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
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Old 11-22-2011, 04:33 PM   #3 
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Housing
What size is your tank? 1 gallon
What temperature is your tank? room
Does your tank have a filter? no
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? yes
Is your tank heated? no
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? none

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? pellets
How often do you feed your betta fish? once a day

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change? every couple of weeks
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? usually 100% sometimes 50%
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? conditioner

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? hole in fin
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? yes
When did you start noticing the symptoms? 2 weeks ago
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? put some epsom salt in the water
Does your fish have any history of being ill? no not that I know of
How old is your fish (approximately)? almost 4 years
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Old 11-22-2011, 04:39 PM   #4 
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Seems like it might be a water quality issue. In a 1 gal. you should be doing one 100% and one 50% water change once a week. I'd do daily 100% water changes for a week, and then go with the schedule I mentioned above.
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Old 11-22-2011, 04:47 PM   #5 
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Do they become more prone to water quality issues as they get older?
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Old 11-22-2011, 05:06 PM   #6 
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Most likely. But I'm thinking more so that he's been in water that isn't ideal for him for such a long time, that it's catching up to him.
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Old 11-22-2011, 05:15 PM   #7 
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Yes they do become more prone to water quality as they get older.

Mister, my old 7 year old needed more water changes. All I used was a cup to scoop him out... since it is less stress than a net. Then I would completely clean out his bowl. The bowl was cleaned once every 2 days, 100%. Added water I left sitting overnight, and tap water conditioner, then put him back in. The water left over night, is to make sure the water is the same temperature as his previous water. This'll help you :)

the hole could be fin rot. Fin rot is from dirty water... Clean water is the best cure :) SBD aka swim bladder, is if he is rounded (bloated), has trouble staying upright, and often blows bubbles that are bigger than usual (like coughing air). Always dissolve salt before adding or this can cause problems... Just in case you didn't know :)
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:14 PM   #8 
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Yes they do become more prone to water quality as they get older.

Mister, my old 7 year old needed more water changes. All I used was a cup to scoop him out... since it is less stress than a net. Then I would completely clean out his bowl. The bowl was cleaned once every 2 days, 100%. Added water I left sitting overnight, and tap water conditioner, then put him back in. The water left over night, is to make sure the water is the same temperature as his previous water. This'll help you :)

the hole could be fin rot. Fin rot is from dirty water... Clean water is the best cure :) SBD aka swim bladder, is if he is rounded (bloated), has trouble staying upright, and often blows bubbles that are bigger than usual (like coughing air). Always dissolve salt before adding or this can cause problems... Just in case you didn't know :)
We have always let the water sit for 24 hours before changing his water even in past bettas. He def has issues staying up. He manages to get to the surface and then just sort of sinks vertically. He is red and he doesn't look as red as he once did.

No matter what I do to change him he seems to get stressed by it. I feel so bad for him. He hides for days after a change.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:24 PM   #9 
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...and often blows bubbles that are bigger than usual (like coughing air).
?????????????????????? Wha???? Where did you hear this from? O____o;

Panaluu- Lower the water level and try to get him in some warm water (76-80*F is ideal). Bettas are tropical fish and need heated water. This might explain why he is so listless. He's hiding because he has no energy. The same can be said for his coloring. Stressed bettas lose their color and tend to look "muddy". It's a good way for telling if they're sick.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:10 PM   #10 
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He doesn't so much look muddy but more blue. He has always had tinges of blue but now he is looking more blue. I will take his water temp but where he sits is pretty warm.
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