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Old 01-11-2012, 10:51 AM   #1 
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Suddenly...sick fish.

Housing
What size is your tank? 1 cup (QTs)
What temperature is your tank? ~82 Floating in my 10g
Does your tank have a filter? N/A
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?N/A
Is your tank heated? Yes
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? None for the past week.

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? Omega one betta buffet
How often do you feed your betta fish? 2 pellets twice a day.

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change? 100% once, sometimes twice, a day.
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? 100
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? AS or ES

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? Fish 1. She has pop eye. Fish 2.She looks like her scales are ripping off.
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? 1. a little dopey, to be expected...eats just fine....responsive. 2.At this point she may already be dead. She is swimming on her side and upside down, breathing heavy and wiggin out.
When did you start noticing the symptoms? 1. yesterday, thats why i QTd her. 2. The original reason for the QT was a missing scale that wasn't healing, and started to develop a fuzz. She has been fine for the past few days and then today, when i changed her water...she started acting like explained above.
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? 1. ES
in a QT with 100% daily. 2.She was in AS, but with her reaction today i switched her to the ES.
Does your fish have any history of being ill? no idea, got them last month.
How old is your fish (approximately)? Im not sure. Adult...but not over a year.

UPDATE on fish 2: I just checked her, and she is floating normal now. But she still has what looks like stripped scales at the base of her tail.

I ant take photos right now, becuse i dont want to stress her further.

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Old 01-11-2012, 11:48 AM   #2 
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oh no! i'm sorry you have 2 sick fishies! :[ did you read the sticky about the diseases and such?
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:30 PM   #3 
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How often do you change the water in the 10g and how much did you change this last time? If your fish started to go downhill after the water change then you may have shocked them or something may have gotten into the tank and is harming them. Do you age your water? Did you make sure the new water was the same temp and acclimate them?

Is there anything hard (like plastic plants or sharp decor or any kind) that might have scraped them and cause the scale loss?

Are either of them bloated? How often do they poop and what does it look like?

With the fuzz and popeye and now scale loss.. I really don't think conservative salt treatment is the way to go here. You need some meds. I'd do Kanamyacin (Kanaplex by Seachem) if you can find it. Otherwise Furan 2 or possible the Maracyns in combo are worth a try.

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Old 01-11-2012, 02:21 PM   #4 
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neather of them live in the 10g, its home to one of my males.
The 2nd female was missing the scale when i got her about a month ago. I was waiting to see if she would heal up on her own.
She didnt, and now that i can see it clearly, she is missing all of the scales on the back 1/3 of her body. This happened in her QT cup.

The 1st got the pop eye after one of my girls in the sorority developed Dropsy. I have since done a water change, and will do another today.

None of the plants/decor in the 20g are sharp or hard.
neather are bloated, and poop looks normal.

None of the stores around here carry the Kanaplex, and i will see if i can convince my mother to spend the money on the Maracyns.

The girl with the pop eye is still well colored, and watches the tetras that are in the 10g she is floating in.
When i looked earlier, it looked like it had gone down a bit.

Water changes.
I dont age my water, never have had to. Nor do i add anything to it.
When i change, i always use same-temp water, and acclimate. None of my fish ever go into shock.

Id like to give the ES a little longer on the 1st girl, she only started it yesterday.

The other girl is going to get the medication, if i can afford it.

I will go and see if i can get pictures of them now.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:35 PM   #5 
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Orchid-
she was nice enough to show my just what hurts.
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pop eye is...well pop eye.
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:23 PM   #6 
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Still needing advice...
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Old 01-11-2012, 05:32 PM   #7 
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Got the Maracyn 1 and 2.
But the dosage is in 10g, how do i break this down for a 1 gallon jug?
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Old 01-11-2012, 07:51 PM   #8 
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Yikes! Poor Orchid. :( I saw that Pitluvs helped you with the dosage so she's got you covered there. Only other thing I can think of is to get Kordon Fish Protector. This is a great product when the fish has open wounds like that. Hopefully the Maracyn combo helps. If not, you may need to order Seachem Kanaplex from online.

Was she showing any unusual behavior like flashing or rubbing? I don't see any fuzziness like columnaris.

As for Shadow, epsom salt and the Maracyn combo should hopefully help to reduce the swelling and tackle the bacteria causing the popeye.

Hope this helps, Guns. Keep us posted.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:47 PM   #9 
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She has some fuzz on her other side in a small spot that seemed to have lost a scale, but its more a string of fuzz. Also her oviposter looks like it is bright red around it...but it might just be her coloration...never would have noticed it if she hadn't decided to swim upside down after her water change :/.
And as for rubbing, she didn't have that scaleless spot until about 2 days in her QT. Nothing to rub on in their.

I will hopefully be able to go tomorrow to get the Fish protector.
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Hmm, the bright red ovipositor is a new one on me. Okay, I was trying to figure out if external parasites could be the cause but it sounds more like she just got a nasty infection in an open wound. Good luck with her. :)
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