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Old 02-26-2012, 09:13 PM   #11 
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For the third time, it's not a "rescue." :( To walmart, you are simply just buying another fish, then they can make room for more which they will most likely mistreat. You NEED to tell managers if you see poor conditions for the fish. Once again these are, "sympathy purchases," not rescues. I would post a link to other forums explaining this, but I think that's against the rules.

Some people suggest buying the misshapen fish but then exuberantly explaining to managers that you will never, ever come back and buy from this store again if they do not provide better care for their fish. Their argument is, by buying a mistreated fish, plus all the tanks and equipments needed for them, (<----the main profit) the business will listen to you because by buying the supplies for the fish, you are providing their most revenue. While, I can see that working, you'd have to do it right, and keep to your promises of never coming back if the store did not clean up their act.
The general attitude of this forum is that it is a rescue if you save it. Most people have come to the realisation that conditions will not improve, people have tried so many things to improve betta conditions and stores will generally not listen. I've read about so many people telling pet stores several times and nothing changes. Wal Mart isn't going to spend tons of money improving it's conditions for betta because ONE PERSON is upset. I know it sounds glum, but you're not going to change anything if 99% of people see nothing wrong with what's going on, and most of them cannot be convinced that betta deserve more than a vase. This fish has a home, yes it will be replaced, but there's nothing that we can do about this really. People still buy PUPPIES from pet stores, word is JUST getting out to the public about puppy mills. I personally believe that a puppy is not "higher" than a betta, but if everyone hasn't realized that pet stores puppies suffer, then they aren't going to give a second thought to a betta, a "less respected" animal in general. I've come to the realization that not too much good will come to betta until conditions improve for puppy mill dogs, cats, birds, small animals, reptiles, then people will eventually start thinking of fish..

The best you can do is try and convince a store to give you a sick betta for free/a discount, tell your friends about betta care, even tell local pet stores. A big chain store doesn't care about it's betta, but maybe a local pet store could be more easily convinced.

That is a lovely betta, I can't believe your walmart has nicer fish than our fish stores :p
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:19 PM   #12 
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+1 to person above.

He is beautiful! Just wondering if he was labeled female? I got a male pk labeled female from walmart. But wow is he beautiful very jealous!
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:32 PM   #13 
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It is a rescue but I can see where 4everaspirit is comming from. Technically you saved his life and there for rescued him! :) but you also gave the people money kinda like "I feel so bad for these bettas, I'll buy them and buy the meds to nurse them back to health." And the wal-mart people are just going to take that money and get more. I don't know what side I'm on. I guess to save a life you have to give one? But if we just "rescue" bettas aren't we just rooting wal-mart on?
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:47 PM   #14 
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I've read about so many people telling pet stores several times and nothing changes. Wal Mart isn't going to spend tons of money improving it's conditions for betta because ONE PERSON is upset. I know it sounds glum, but you're not going to change anything if 99% of people see nothing wrong with what's going on, and most of them cannot be convinced that betta deserve more than a vase. This fish has a home, yes it will be replaced, but there's nothing that we can do about this really. People still buy PUPPIES from pet stores, word is JUST getting out to the public about puppy mills. I personally believe that a puppy is not "higher" than a betta, but if everyone hasn't realized that pet stores puppies suffer, then they aren't going to give a second thought to a betta, a "less respected" animal in general. I've come to the realization that not too much good will come to betta until conditions improve for puppy mill dogs, cats, birds, small animals, reptiles, then people will eventually start thinking of fish..

The best you can do is try and convince a store to give you a sick betta for free/a discount, tell your friends about betta care, even tell local pet stores. A big chain store doesn't care about it's betta, but maybe a local pet store could be more easily convinced.
I see what you are saying, however, one person CAN make a difference if they work at it enough. Many just don't have the patience or diligence to do some (me sometimes included). You are probably right, that until most of public is aware of puppy mills, there won't be too much concern over conditions for a fish. It seems like we are all taking baby steps at different points of the issue, hopefully we will get to the same place eventually <3
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:48 PM   #15 
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It is a rescue but I can see where 4everaspirit is comming from. Technically you saved his life and there for rescued him! :) but you also gave the people money kinda like "I feel so bad for these bettas, I'll buy them and buy the meds to nurse them back to health." And the wal-mart people are just going to take that money and get more. I don't know what side I'm on. I guess to save a life you have to give one? But if we just "rescue" bettas aren't we just rooting wal-mart on?
In a sense, yes, we are rooting them on, especially if you just buy the sickly betta without even talking to the manager about the conditions.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:07 PM   #16 
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What I consider a rescue is you are saving a living being from something threatening it's life. Thus wally world and how cruel they are to their fish. Another example would be me rescuing my pug. I found her running the street, chasing my truck of which she was not even a quarter of the size of my truck's tire O.O

ANYHOW, gorgeous betta. I look forward to hearing more about him. You should open a virtual journal taking notes on him day by day and posting pictures of him :)
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Like I said, the difference you as a person make is convincing the minds of as many people as possible. I recently convince one of my friends NOT to put her betta on top of her microwave just because when you turn the microwave on it swims around in circles really fast (GOD I do NOT want to know what that does to the poor fish- my science teacher from 3 years ago this too, I didn't have the guts to say anything to him though).
Once enough people develop this mind set, things can and will change.. Buying a fish or not buying a fish doesn't affect even a larger store much, supplies is where profits are at.. Buying meds/tanks/stuff online or second hand removes the ability of the store to make a large profit off of you.
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From Wal-Mart?! Lucky find!
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:50 PM   #19 
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Once enough people develop this mind set, things can and will change.. Buying a fish or not buying a fish doesn't affect even a larger store much, supplies is where profits are at.. Buying meds/tanks/stuff online or second hand removes the ability of the store to make a large profit off of you.
Maybe these stores shouldn't be making a profit off of you. Do they deserve to with the way they treat the fish? That's is the question. Even if you buy their stuff, how would that change their behavior? You would have to at least bring up your concerns to them, otherwise they wouldn't realize that there was a problem at all, and to them, you are just buying another fish and all it's equipment. o.o. Though, wouldn't it seem weird to say to a manager, "I'm buying this betta and all of it's tank and supplies, but you guys need to provide better care for these better or I will not be coming back here."? Would that person even be believable? If someone is okay with buying fish in a poor state in their store once, who's to say they won't do it again, and again? Hence, the store could just keep railing profit from you. You would have to keep checking with the store to make this work, and sticking to your commitment to not buying anything more from them if they have not changed.

Anyway, I just personally think it's better to adopt fish that people are trying to get rid of because they can't take care of, or adopt from shelters. I'd rather not support those causing the problems in general :)

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Wow.. This thread was definitely hijacked...

Gorgeous fish though. I think he's grateful for what you did to make his life worth living again. (ouo)b
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