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Old 03-06-2012, 10:45 AM   #11 
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Hmm... I'm not sure about Prime and PP. D: Perhaps if you don't add them at the same time? Like, pre-prepare the water with conditioner, then add the PP just before the bath.

Good luckkkk! I really hope he gets better. :(
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:16 AM   #12 
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My plan for the bath was to just use bottled water...
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Old 03-06-2012, 12:27 PM   #13 
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•Symptoms: White spots on mouth, edges of scales and fins, Cottony Growth that eats away at the mouth, Fins rapidly disingrate, starting at the edges
Gray areas around head and gills, As the disease progresses the gray lesions may change in color to yellow/brown/red, Lesions often occur in front of the dorsal causing a “saddleback” appearance, Lethargic, Loss of appetite, Clamped, Gasping for air
•Treatment: There are 2 versions of Columnaris: chronic and acute. Chronic Columnaris can take days to progress while acute can kill within a day. It is contagious so isolate sick fish. If more than one fish shows symptoms then treat the entire tank. Perform daily 100% water change in small tanks or water change in larger tanks. Make sure to clean the gravel. Treat with Aq.Salt: add 1 tsp/gal Aquarium Salt 3 times, 12 hours apart so that you end up with 3 times the normal concentration. Do NOT raise the temperature as it thrives in temps over 85*F, however, lowering the temperature does not seem to help fight it. Combine salt treatment with Mardel’s Coppersafe, Maracyn I & II, API Erythromycin, OR API Triple Sulfa, combined with Jungle’s Fungus Eliminator (if possible).
I have heard of people using PP but I have never used it. I have heard its much more potent then most other drugs and should be used with extream care. I have, however had success fighting columnaris using Maracyn 2.

If you do use PP I would pick up another water conditioner to use with it since you said prime counteracts it. Although I am not sure which conditioner would be acceptable.

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Old 03-06-2012, 03:45 PM   #14 
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My plan for the bath was to just use bottled water...
Bottled water should still be conditioned - HOWEVER, you can always see if one of the pet stores around you has RO water.
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Old 03-06-2012, 03:51 PM   #15 
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Maracyn-I won't treat columnaris at all, as it works for gram-positive bacteria, and columnaris is gram-negative. I've heard mixed things about Maracyn-II (mostly that it won't work), which is why I didn't recommend it. May be worth a try, though, since it has worked for some people. The problem with it is it loses its effectiveness if the water is hard, which explains the mixed reviews.

It's ultimately up to you- however, PP is one of the big guns.
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kfish, don't worry sticking with the pp plan! Waiting for the bath to be the same temp as the qt tank and then it is bath time for Neptune!
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I've heard mixed things about Maracyn-II (mostly that it won't work), which is why I didn't recommend it.
I used more then the recommended dose which may be why it worked for me (it was a risk but I figured he WAS going to die either way) I know alot of people say use maracyn and maracyn 2 together - maracyn 2 for columnaris and maracyn for any gram pos. secondary infections the fish may have. I have never seen PP sold anywhere. Actually most of these meds I can't find.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:19 PM   #18 
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Kanaplex usually is very effective on Columnaris. If you cannot find it get API's Furan-2. Maracyn 2 can potentially treat it but there are lots of hard strains that are resistant to it.

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Old 03-07-2012, 08:58 AM   #19 
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I tried to do everything I could, but this morning Neptune was dead. The PP removed a lot of the fuzz but his gills were extremely infected and swollen that I think it was just too late. Thanks for all your advice, hopefully there won't be a next time but if there is I will be prepared.

What things should I be doing with my tank, so my next fish doesn't suffer the same fate?
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I tried to do everything I could, but this morning Neptune was dead. The PP removed a lot of the fuzz but his gills were extremely infected and swollen that I think it was just too late. Thanks for all your advice, hopefully there won't be a next time but if there is I will be prepared.

What things should I be doing with my tank, so my next fish doesn't suffer the same fate?
I'm sorry! :( Fish illness is so complicated... they're so delicate, yet so strong at the same time. Columnaris is fast moving.

There are a lot of ways people disinfect tanks/non-living decor... I've used white vinegar and salt, but I'm not sure how effective that is against columnaris. Some people use diluted bleach (rinsed extremely well, of course), then add extra dechlorinator the next few times they add water to the tank. And some people use PP. You can also boil smaller decorations and items. Since I'm hyper-OCD, I'd probably bleach then boil the stuff that can be boiled.

As for your plants, I just read online that you can dip them in a PP bath and rinse them. I've also heard of people giving plants bleach baths, at risk of killing the plants. Most people here seem to just quarantine plants for 3-4 weeks to ensure there's nothing living on them. Here's an article with some instruction about disinfecting plants: http://www.aquajake.com/blog/plantin...fore-or-after/

Make sure you also disinfect anything else that touched the tank (net, quarantine tank, cups, etc).

How big is your tank? If it's 5 gallons or more, to further guarantee that it's all gone, you can always do a fishless cycle after breaking it all down and disinfecting, before getting another fish. Takes a few weeks, but it's a bit of extra peace of mind.

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