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Old 04-13-2012, 04:59 PM   #1 
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About to give up on owning fish...

I just bought IALs to put in my 2 fish tanks and they seem to be causing problems more than helping... I just moved Antione into a 10 gallon and put my mystery baby in Antiones old 5.5 gallon. Antiones fins are now clamped and i believe one of his gills isnt closing all the way... one lays more flat than the other... also, the mystery baby has had clamped fins for a while.... and hasnt eatedn for 2 or 3 days... theyve both been swimming around as usual i think but i dont know why theyre acting sick... for a few days now ive expected to come home to at least one dead fish... what do i do?
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:07 PM   #2 
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my fish is not eating either... :(
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:59 PM   #3 
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Maybe your doing too much too quickly? What all treatments have you been doing and for how long? Maybe your fish need a break and just need time to adjust to a stable environment..?
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:18 PM   #4 
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i havent been treating them for anything... Antione started clamping his fins when i added IALs (theyre out now) and the baby's been clamped since before i moved him into the tank. and now isnt eating...
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:06 PM   #5 
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Oh, well then I am not sure.

Do you have a water test kit? Knowing the ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate levels are helpful.

Maybe fill this out and see if some of the more expert members can help:

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What size is your tank?
What temperature is your tank?
Does your tank have a filter?
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration?
Is your tank heated?
What tank mates does your betta fish live with?

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish?
How often do you feed your betta fish?

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change?
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change?
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change?

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?

Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness:
Alkalinity:

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed?
How has your betta fish's behavior changed?
When did you start noticing the symptoms?
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how?
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)?
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Old 04-14-2012, 09:24 AM   #6 
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What size is your tank? was 10, moving him back to 5.5 now
What temperature is your tank? normally around 79
Does your tank have a filter? no
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? no
Is your tank heated? yes
What tank mates does your betta fish live with? none

Food
What type of food do you feed your betta fish? pellets and the occasional blood worm
How often do you feed your betta fish? 2 pellets at a time, twice a day

Maintenance
How often do you perform a water change? once a week in the 5 gallon
What percentage of the water do you change when you perform a water change? 100%
What type of additives do you add to the water when you perform a water change? topfin water conditioner

Water Parameters:
Have you tested your water? If so, what are the following parameters?
not recently, putting him in new water now though so ammonia and everything is 0
Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH: 7.2
Hardness: 150
Alkalinity: 180

Symptoms and Treatment
How has your betta fish's appearance changed? he floats on his side at the surface of the water and his scales look like theyre starting to pinecone...
How has your betta fish's behavior changed? very lethargic. doesnt eat. doesnt acknowledge my finger next to his cup/tank unless the water moves, and then he starts swimming again for a few seconds
When did you start noticing the symptoms? this morning, but i think maybe they started a while ago... i was a little preoccupied with the baby... who died anyway :(
Have you started treating your fish? If so, how? no i dont know how :(
Does your fish have any history of being ill?
How old is your fish (approximately)? im not sure. he had what i thought was fungus but i was told was just him shedding his slime coat. treated him with melafix

he has a swim bladder issue and yesterday it looked like one of his gills werent closing all the way but i dont notice it today. when he lays on his side its always the same side. i really dont want this guy to die :(
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:38 AM   #7 
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Can you post a picture of your buddy? We'll help as much as we can!
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:59 AM   #8 
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I wouldn't blame the IAL unless it was contaminated. Also, don't feel too bad, things happen that are maybe out of our control. You might have been moving him around too much or the water quality is messed up or something. IAL is beneficial! lol So unless it came in contact with something I don't see how it could have clouded your water.

Maybe put an IAL in a separate bowl to see if it does the same thing. It might be a bad de-chlorinator. When I bought Ludendorff he seemed fine but the next morning he had clamped fins and then fin rot (which I guess mist have been triggered from the store I didn't notice) . A strict regimine which lasted about a month finally brought him around.

DOn't give up on your fish yet. It seems daunting the confusing way they're behaving and reacting but it must be too much at once or water quality or something and once a stable environment is set up and they come around it will be so rewarding!
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:12 AM   #9 
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Oh, baby died. :( I'm sorry.
Poor Antoine, IMO you should probably skip conservative treatments and get a more powerful drug. :/
Also, keep him in the 5 gallon, and consider buying a filter and fishlessly cycling the 10 gallon, it'll help create a stable environment.
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:12 AM   #10 
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In a 5 I would do 2 50% each week. The 100% might be stressing them? I don't think melafix is good for bettas. Stress Coat water conditioner might help.
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