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Old 03-31-2012, 09:29 PM   #1 
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Feeding Bettas and Tetras

Hi All,

I have managed to settle 5 GloFish (Zip, Zap, Zig, Zag, and Wag) danios in my 5 gallon tank along with my Betta Dr. Augustus Pablo. Everyone gets along, nobody is particularly nippy or 'mean' thus far.

However - Augustus is a pig. And I am having a hard time ensuring everyone gets fed at feeding time. I was wondering if anyone had any tips. I currently have three types of food. Betta pellets, Freeze Dried Blood worms and Tetra Flakes.

Two of my GloFish are much smaller than the other three - there is no fighting going on, but in particular I want to ensure they are fed.

Any tips on feeding these guys at the same time (or at different times) would be very appreciated.
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Old 04-01-2012, 12:06 AM   #2 
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I let my fish figure out the order for themselves. The betta girls pig out at the top of the tank and the community fish have learned to eat the pellets that sink when the girls thrash about at the top.
If you need to, you can cup your betta during feeding time.

I really do have to say something about your stocking, though. Glofish are genetically modified zebra danios - incredibly active. They really do need a 2ft tank as a minimum. That's also a really heavy bioload for a 5 gallon tank, so you'll need to be doing a crazy amount of water changes to support it.
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This post is more about me worrying that my skinny glo's are not getting food because the more dominate danios and my betta Dr. Augustus Pablo are hogging the food.

Thanks for the advice on keeping the fish that I have in a 5 gallon - I am new but dedicated and confident I have made the correct choices. Time of course will tell but I do not 'slack off' or anything and am not into keeping fish to have any single fish die due to irresponsibility. If you strongly think I am making a terrible mistake and should remove one or two danios, please speak up and say "Unity, remove, one, two or three, of those danios" or what have you. I am posting on this forum to obtain sound advice to keep my fish and their biosphere and the tanks bioload proper as well as to give my pets long and healthy lives.

Thanks for your concern and advice in advance.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:19 AM   #4 
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I don't think you should remove any of the danios - they are schooling fish and need groups of 5 minimum, more being better - but they do need a larger footprint than a 5 gallon can provide. An active fish in a small area will be a stressed fish, and a stressed fish is more susceptible to disease. Of course, I'm not saying your fish will all drop dead if you keep them in a 5 gallon, and I'm sure you will give them the best of care, but our purpose as fishkeepers is to provide the optimum for our fish, not the minimum. :) After all, our tanks are their entire world and their little lives are in our hands. :)
If anything, it's a good reason for you to upgrade to a 20 gallon. ;)

I also highly recommend that you test the water daily with a reliable liquid test kit to make sure ammonia levels stay under control.

I do suggest cupping the betta to feed him, and feeding the danios all across the surface of the tank so that the underweight ones have a chance to feed in areas where the dominant ones are not.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:32 AM   #5 
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Thanks for the honest and intelligent suggestions. I have strips to monitor the tank, have a filter running 24/7 and a thermometer of course to make sure my heater is operating within parameters.

20 gallons seems like a big hike for me, but the moment I find that my pets are suffering in anyway or that their ecosystems balance is off, I will just jump and make the change.

And yes the main reason I moved to 5 danios so quickly is because I learned that they are schooling fish. I want an active tank but can only seem to obtain mystery snails locally and am not prepared for the way they procreate. I also simply am a little creeped-out by frogs so I passed on them.

I realize there are bottom feeders that I can put in the tank but I passed there as well because everyone really does seem to be happy here. The danios are not fighting, I just want everyone fed. Hopefully cupping my Betta while feeding the rest will work. And I will be diligent on cleaning.

Hopefully a mixture of your advice and my hubris will yield great results for my pets! I am sure that I will move to a bigger tank soon but it is not in the budget now unfortunately.

Thanks a lot for the honest advice.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:02 AM   #6 
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Really when every you can get a bigger tank. The fish won't die right there but prolonged exposure to ammonia will shorten the life span. Do not try to make it seem right, danios are active fish and require a bigger tank. A betta shouldn't really be housed with anything else unless it is a 10 gallon because they need space and the bioload.

Did you cycle the tank?

Not trying to bash you but you are ignoring information that will benefit your fish.
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I don't take it as a bash and am looking for advice - yes I cycled my tank and am in this for the long haul.

Is the information that I am ignoring that I need a bigger tank?

All of my initial research (including a ton on this site) spoke to that a betta should not be housed with others unless you have at least a 5 gallon tank. Am I really off by 5 further gallons?

With the exception of my two skinny danios, there are no serious issues in my tank.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Yep - the recommended minimum for tankmates is 10 gallons. It may seem like a lot, but for fish, it really isn't. And that's only for certain types of small, calm fish - ember tetras, Endlers Livebearers, small species of cory. For larger or more active species, larger tanks are needed. :) The only thing you can house with a betta in a 5 gallon tank are inverts (shrimp and snails). I haven't seen anything on this site to suggest 5 gallons is suitable for any other fish...

A great temporary measure when tanks are too expensive: plastic storage tubs. ;)
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Bombalurina,

In your opinion will a 10 gallon be sufficient for my 5 danios and Dr. Augustus Pablo (my betta)?

And as a temporary measure (as I do have two of them) do you suggest that I move a couple of danios in the small tubs or are you suggesting I put my betta in there.

Budget be damned if I am going to wind up killing my pets here - but I could use a little prep time if I really have gone in over my head. I am not sure I even have room for a 20+ gallon tank at the moment. Let alone the larger heater and potentially larger filter I may need.

Thanks again.
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In terms of bioload, a ten gallon would be fine, but footprint is really important for danios too. Do you have room/funds for a long 15 gallon? That would give you the necessary 2ft footprint without the expense of the 20. You may even be able to find a really long, shallow ten gallon with 24 inch footprint.

This could be an option: http://www.petco.com/product/14978/P...-Aquarium.aspx. It is still tight in terms of bioload (you'd be looking at two 50% changes a week, I reckon), but it has a fantastic footprint, being long and shallow. It is a great betta tank and it gives the danios heaps of room to zip around. :) Obviously it isn't ideal, but definitely workable, especially if you were to add some live plants to help with the bioload.

Again, it's not an issue of killing your pets - I cannot convince my friend that his 8 inch tank, 4 gallon tank is totally insufficient for his betta and 5 danios, and they haven't died or fallen sick - it's just an issue of what's in their best interests for maximum health and "happiness", insofar as a fish can be happy. :)

For the moment, I wouldn't suggest putting anyone in the tubs (if you were to do so, I would say the betta, unless your tubs have a larger footprint than your tank). You definitely don't want to split the danio school up.
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