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Old 04-22-2012, 12:01 AM   #1 
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Exclamation Graying Fins, Lethargic

Note: I am a first-time betta owner - trying my best here.

I started testing the amonia and ph levels in my bettas' tanks and found that the water I was using was very base (ph 7.5.+). So, I put one of the bettas in a bowl and tried adjusting his tank water using "ph up".

I tried to keep the adjustment moderate (<.2ph, not full water change), but it must not have been moderate enough, because when I put him back in the tank, he began behaving strangely.

He darted around wildly for a few minutes before eventually going still. A few minutes later, his fins started graying.

I realize that I screwed up badly, but I need to know how to rectify this, if possible. I feel horrible because he was doing fine before I started messing with things.

His tank is around 75% full right now. Should I add the base water I was using to try and adjust back, or just take a "wait and see" approach - especially since all I've done has made things worse?

If he doesn't recover soon, I am considering using clove oil to put him down; he looks so miserable.
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:08 AM   #2 
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I wish to spread awareness about a disease that has struck several times in the recent months. It moves very, very, very fast, often killing within 12-24 hours. Nothing is known about this disease except that it is a bacterial disease that causes rapid and acute tissue necropsy and that it seems to strike blue bettas in particular. Several people are working on identifying this disease, including veterinary student DarkMoon17, but WE NEED YOUR HELP.

If you have a betta who develops the following symptoms or dies, please DO NOT DISPOSE OF THE BODY. It is very important that we have a body to send in for a necropsy. Several people have volunteered to take the bodies to local universities or veterinary clinics near them. All we need you to do is save the body and contact DarkMoon17 or me immediately.

The symptoms of this disease are:

* graphite gray or near black tissue necropsy that spreads from the bottom of the fins upward to the body within hours
* sudden loss of mobility as the swim bladder is affected
* death or conditions so severe that they require euthanasia within 12-24 hours, occasionally as long as 36 hours

The betta will look something like this:
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There have been speculations about what it is, including suggestions that it is an acute strain of columnaris, but NOTHING IS KNOWN FOR CERTAIN. PLEASE DO NOT post speculations about what this disease may be unless you have been able to identify the disease through lab work. Such speculations only cause aggressive debate.

Any and all cooperation is much appreciated as we work to identify this disease so we can figure out a way to combat it. Thank you very much.

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The Four Most Important Aspects of Betta Care Are:
1) Proper Water Changes
2) Warm Water (78*-82*F)
3) Varied Diet
4) Quarentine New Fish/Plants/Tankmates
If you do these 4 things, you can greatly reduce the chances of your betta getting sick.
Things to keep on hand at all times
•Extra nets and 1 gallon containers
•Aquarium Salt (Aq.Salt)
•Epsom Salt (ES)
•Potassium Permanganate (PP)
•Quarantine tank (QT)
Water Chemistry:
Before you treat your fish for everything under the sun, check the water chemistry. Toxic levels of Ammonia, Nitrites and Nitrates are extremely harmful and weaken your betta's immune system resulting in illness. Many petstores will test your water for free. Liquid tests are much more accurate than strip tests.
•If your fish look like they are lethargic, gasping for air or are swimming head down do a water change immediately because they probably have nitrate, nitrite, or ammonia poisoning. Do not use chemicals to remove them as they are ineffective. Prime does remove nitrites/nitrates but it is still most effective to do a water change.
•Extreme pH variation can also cause illness. Sand and porous rocks like sandstone or lava rock make water more basic (>7.0) while Indian almond leaves, peat moss and oak leaves make the water more acidic (<7.0).
•Are there chlorinates in the water? Did you forget to add the water conditioner? If so, quickly add your water conditioner!!
•Many issues can be cured by a simple water change so it should be the first thing you try.

Conservative Treatment Versus Medication:
There are two ways to treat a sick fish. One is the conservative route. It involves increased water changes and (usually) salt treatments. The other route is using medication. There are some illnesses that respond better to medication than water changes and salt, however most illnesses can be cured simply with a bit of TLC and salt. In general, you should always attempt conservative treatment methods before using medicines as medicines can be hard on your fish’s internal organs and over using medicine or not completing the treatment cycle can result in the creation of medicine-resistance bugs.

Therapeutic Additives:There are a number of things you can do for your betta to reduce stress and support their immune system. Indian Almond leaves, tannins, black water extracts, and peat moss pellets are all things that you can add to help prevent illness or help recovery. API Stress Coat and Kordon’s Fish Protector are water conditioners/additives that help slime coat production and skin repair. They can be added at any time your fish shows signs of illness.

Tail rot or fin rot
•Symptoms: Betta’s fins and/or tail seem to be getting shorter and shorter or they seem to be falling apart and dissolving, Black or red along the edge of the betta’s fins/tail, Bloody tips, Behavior may not change
Treatment: Conservative: Treat with Aq.Salt at 1 tsp/gal. Increase water changes to 100% daily. Replace accurate amount of salt following water changes. Add Stress Coat to help repair tissue. If there is little to no improvement within the first 5 days, you can increase the salt dosage gradually to 2tsp/gal but do not continue any salt treatments past 10 days. Medication: If Conservative treatment is ineffective use API Tetracycline, API Fungus Cure, API Triple Sulfa, OR API Erythromycin. Also add Stress Coat to help regrowth. Continue until fins/tail stop receding and start showing some new growth.

Advanced Fin and Tail rot
•Symptoms: Fins and or tail start rotting away, usually starting from the edge, but sometimes it starts at the base of the fin (especially dorsal) and attacks the body directly. Diseases progresses rapidly as the tissues are being eaten away. Once fins have been consumed, rot will proceed onto the body. At this stage the disease is hard to reverse although the betta might continue to live for months if treated properly. If not treated, it will die promptly.
•Treatment: If the rot has advanced onto the body, skip conservative treatment. Do 100% daily water changes. Use a combination of Fungus Eliminator and Tetracycline. Continue until fins/tail stop receding and start showing some new growth. It may take up to 4 weeks to work, so don’t give up.
Good luck!
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:16 AM   #3 
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Thank you so much!

My betta is blue and the graying looks similar to the one posted in the picture, so I guess I should contact this Darkmoon person?

On the other hand, how likely is it that it is nitrite/nitrate poisoning? I don't have any test kits for that; do you know if Walmart carries them? [they actually have bettas at our local store]
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:19 AM   #4 
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It is very unlikely,that it is nitrite/nitrate poisoning unless your tank is 5+ gallons and has been setup for 1-2 months. Nitrites/nitrates only occur in tanks with beneficial filter bacteria that are cycled..... Well not always nitrites.... Also, you would want to contact Sakura8 instead of dark moon
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:24 AM   #5 
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Well, that's one less thing on my list at least (the nitrite). I'll contact Sakura8 like you said.
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:25 AM   #6 
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Okay.the disease progresses fairly fast so you might not have as Much time to cure the disease
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:43 AM   #7 
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Yeah, I figure either way my betta is going to die. He seems pretty listless right now, unfortunately. I figured I might as well send him in afterwards if it would help someone out though. I am going to keep checking up on him, but I am pretty sure he'll be floating bottom up in the morning.

Regardless, thanks for the info.
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:45 AM   #8 
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I'm sorry that he is looking like this and that he is sick. There is no known prevention for the disease hat your Betta may have caught so It most likely wasnt your fault
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