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Old 06-17-2013, 11:06 AM   #1 
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Unhappy Fin rot!?

I'm pretty sure my betta has fish rot, which he must have had since the fish store because I've only had him 2 days. His fins seem to be frayed and they are red, but that might just be his colouring (he is blue everywhere else). He lives in a 7.5 litre tank with two zebra danios. When I first had him i didn't have the filter turned on, and he was acting really odd. He swam in one corner of the tank and only at the surface and sometimes on his side. When I realised he had it I turned the filter on, and he seems much better now. He is swimming around all areas of the tank, but I'm still worried about his fin rot. What should I do? I live in England and his tank is unheated, do I need a heater? I use Tetra Aqua safe water conditioner. Should I get him some medicine? Would really appreciate any help.
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:14 AM   #2 
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Yes for a Betta and the Zebra Danios you do need a heater. I highly suggest you get rid of the Danios though, they are very active fish and need a tank that is at least 20 gallons long but preferably more. They also need a shoal of at least 5-6 to be happy.

I would like to see a picture of your boy though if you can get them, mostly of his fins though so I can help.

Fin rot looks generally black and like the fin is "dead" but can also be red. But again, it might just be his coloration. I suggest having Aquarium salt on hand all the time beacuse it's a cure for a lot of sicknesses as well as Epsom salt (100% Magnesium Sulfate no additives or scent, can be found at pharmacies/wal-mart)

AQ salt is for illnesses on the outside, so Ich, Velvet, body slime infection and Fin rot. Epsom salt is for internal stuff like internal parasites, bloat, constipation and sometimes Dropsy. Don't use them together and don't combine medications, that's EXTREMELY stressful for your little guy

Did you acclimate him to his new tank? If so,how did you do it?
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Old 06-17-2013, 12:17 PM   #3 
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My camera wasn't working, so I couldn't take a picture for you. The fins are slightly shrivelled at the end with a small section of white at the end, if that helps. Can you recommend a brand of heater and/or aquarium salt? When I brought him home from the store I took out some of the water (that I had treated with aqua safe) and put the plastic bag in the tank and opened it, and let him swim out. Unfortunately I don't think a bigger tank is an option at the moment but I will upgrade as soon as I can.
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Old 06-17-2013, 12:46 PM   #4 
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Oh I don't mind the 7.5 liter tank, that's fine but you really should find a new home for your Zebra Danios. You are going to stress out both fish and end up with more sick fish and that's never fun!

AQ salt you can get any brand, doesn't matter as long as it is marked Aquarium salt. You can also use Rock Salt but NEEDS to be PURE NaCl, no caking additives or any others.

As for heater, I really like this heater: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...8&pcatid=11368 Get the 25Watt one. This way you can change your temp when you want to and especially for medical reasons like Ich and Velvet cannot survive in high temps so you raise the temp to kill it off ^_^

With that heater though, use a bucket and let it work over night to make sure that it can retain a stable Temp level, you don't want to fry your fish either! I also suggest you invest in a glass thermometer, it's going to make your life a heck of a lot easier. So when you put it in the tank, put it at it's lowest setting and let it adjust to the water, then over a few hours raise the temp until your thermometer say's 78-80, not the heater. Because in smaller tanks the heater will overcompensate and think that's it's heating at 80 when it's really heating at like 85-86 lol so go by the thermometer not the heater indication.

Also acclimating is a little more in depth than just letting him get used to the temp. What you want to do is get him used to the water quality as well and you're going to have to do this for when you do water changes as well.

Here's some steps to follow for acclimating well:
  • Scoop Betta out with a cup (one that has not seen soap, any plastic will do)(solid colored cups reduce stress because they cannot see where they are so it actually calms them down)
  • Change out water either by dumping it all for a 100% or siphoning half of it out.
  • Replace water and let your Betta float in the water in the cup.
  • Tablespoon in 2-3 spoons of new water into the cup every 10-15 minutes.
  • Repeat above step until an hour has passed.
  • Finally gently tip cup and let Betta swim out, he is now used to the water chemistry.

You'd be surprised at how much the water chemistry changes from water change and to each week. So acclimating them is very important so that they don't go into shock.

As for a fin rot treatment here you go:
  • Measure out 1 teaspoon per gallon of water/3.8 liters of water. (your tank is a 2 gallon tank so measure out 2 teaspoons of water)
  • Place salt in a plastic cup with some tank water in it, mix until COMPLETELY dissolved. (If you do not dissolve the salt, while it melts in the water it actually makes and gives off heat so it can burn your Betta)
  • Dribble a little bit of salt into the tank every 15 minutes until all is in.
  • Everyday do a 100% change on the tank (scoop Betta out and dump water)
  • Refill with same temp water and use your conditioner *Note* you can run a glass thermometer under your tap so that you can get it exactly at the temp that you need!
  • Re-add salt, salt does not evaporate so you take it out physically with a water change. Now that you changed your water, re-add 2 teaspoons of salt. (Dissolve it and add to water)
  • Float Betta in his cup in the water, tablespoon in 2-3 spoons of new water to his cup so he can get used to the salt.
  • Gently release Betta into tank.
  • Repeat steps for 7-10 days or until fin rot is gone.

Note*** DO NOT use AQ salt for more than 14 days as it can result in liver/kidney failure but otherwise perfectly fine at this dose till 14 days.

The most important part is the water changes, it's going to keep him healthy. Also you really need to get rid of the Danios, they aren't meant for small tanks and they're going to get stressed and most likely nip your Betta. For normal water changes a week you should be doing 2 100% water changes in a week to maintain that tank properly.

EDIT: also sorry for converting everything.
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Old 06-17-2013, 01:16 PM   #5 
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Thanks a lot, that was really helpful. I will try to get the heater and AQ salt as soon as I can, and will look into a new hope for my danios.
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I'm glad to be of service! If anything else comes up or you need another answer feel free to PM me or continue this thread. I'll happy walk you through the process when it comes time to add in the salt and all and what to look for. Is it possible you can take a picture of him with your cellphone or Webcam on your laptop? I really would like to see if it's just coloration though because you might not have to go through this hassle. It sure would be less stressful for your little one if you didn't have to
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