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Old 04-29-2012, 06:40 AM   #11 
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I read female melanos arent fertile? but how do you distinguish them from the geno type of the spawn? they're black? I kinda got confused because I've seen a lot of female melanos for auction but they werent black, they were pinkish, or colorless with a few patches of black. So are these geno types?
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Melanos have to be crossed to steel or royal blue (someone correct me on which). Meaning you have to cross a melano male to a steel or royal carrier female.

Anything that isn't a steel or royal blue melano geno is probably a scam.

For blacks I recommend leaving melanos and working on the more stable marble based blacks.
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Old 04-30-2012, 03:32 PM   #13 
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That's what I'm doing MrV! The only "problem" is that I get marbles I want to keep!
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Old 04-30-2012, 03:42 PM   #14 
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That's what I'm doing MrV! The only "problem" is that I get marbles I want to keep!
I breed for solid colors.... then marbles pop up and I decide to spawn all my marbles lol.
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:06 PM   #15 
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Well, in my experience there are many different kinds of blacks- lace, melano, orchid, superblack, copper black. It all depends on how you breed them.

Orchid is, IMHO, not really a black "black," but a bi-color. It's a black betta with heavy, HEAVY blue iridescence often in a butterfly patten on the fins. It's usually the result of a marble cross. (MrV, I think this is what you're describing.) Seen here:



Lace is basically an orchid with clear edging on the dorsal, anal & caudal. They usually have a lot of blue iridescence as well. Seen here:


Melano is the attempt at a PURE black betta with zero irridescence. Breeders have tried to inbreed the mutation that spreads the melanin across all the body and fins- sort of an "extended" black. The inbreeding was so frequent that eventually melano females became infertile. The eggs are frail and rupture. There is usually zero iridescence on the fins of a true melano.
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Copper black is just that- a cross between a melano and a copper. There is generally a lot of copper iridescence on the fish, giving it this appearance-



Superblack, which is one of my current lines, is the attempt at getting the betta as dark-black as possible with minimal iridescence, while keeping the females fertile. This requires an outcross to an unrelated steel blue female every few generations. You can still sometimes see minimal iridescence on the branching of a superblack, but it is greatly reduced from that of an orchid. Seen here:
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MrV, I know, you never know what you will get, and as long as they are good, why not?
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:31 PM   #17 
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Kaden that's some good info you gave there :)
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:38 PM   #18 
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=) Glad I could help. Blacks were the #1 most confusing thing to me when I was starting out. So, I focussed on learning as much about them as I could.
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:41 PM   #19 
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Any bettas I have that are black, my fighter is most black (with the wild type colors), two females black with blue but that's about it :)
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:44 PM   #20 
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Super black is copper based ;) They're excellent for starting with blacks. I wish I had gotten a spawn from my pair :/
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