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Temporary Tank Overstocked?

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For Christmas this year I received a five gallon starter kit, which I want to use for dwarf panda guppies. Unfortunately I can't set up the five until we move. For a few months, will this stocking list overwhelm my ten gallon?


Please keep in mind that the seven guppies would really end up being one endler, one regular male fancy gup, three reg. females and a dwarf panda pair. As for my corys, three of them reach and inch and the rest are just under, maybe .75 inches max. My betta Sam stays generally one one side of the tank and is very chill, having lived with guppies/corys all his life and being older, I doubt he'd been aggressive with the fish.
Currently I have 7 pygmys, 5 tail spot corys, a betta and one gup+ one endler and the snails. I do have tons of live plants in my tank (Wisteria, duckweed, stargrass, java moss, etc) and am going to be getting a lot more soon. I do weekly 35% changes, the tank is over a year old, and everyone is happy.
I do have another ten gallon with one betta, two bronze corys and 5 salt and peppers, so I could split up the new additions with male guppies in one tank and girls in the others.

Sorry this is so complicated! I really want to find out if this is overstocked, bc I do know Aquaadvisor tends to go for lighter stocking. (Which nothing is wrong with)
I will be doing twice weekly changes if I end up adding all the new guppies to the one ten gallon. I hope I explained this well enough. I'm kinda confused about the whole stocking guidelines.

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I don't know but I wanted to tell you my old chill betta turned into a killer in his old age. Guess he didn't feel good
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I don't think Aqadvisor is that far off in estimating your tank is 65% overstocked. Twenty-two critters in a 10 gallon is quite a lot. When you adjust for substrate, plants, equipment, decor you probably have more like 7.5 gallons of water. So yes, you need to do something and a 35% water change per week isn't enough. What does Aqadvisor recommend? For how many gallons is your filter rated? What is the GPH?

Why not wait until the new tank is up and running? Cycle it with one of your Betta and then add the Pandas? They are so much more sensitive than regular Guppies and even Endlers.
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I'd just put some of the cycled tank's substrate in and add the betta. The substrate houses a lot of beneficial bacteria. You could also shove in the 5 gallon tank's filter media with where the ten gallons is and it'll house good bacteria in no time.

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I missed the part about stocking. Stocking isn't only about bioload and number of individuals; it's also about the amount of swimming room various species require. That's why a 20 long is better than 20 tall. A Betta can do fine in a 12" long aquarium. However, Guppies of any size will not. Recommended minimum tank size for Pandas is 10 gallons. If you do put them in the five it should be 5-6 with one other resident or shrimp....if the tank is heavily planted and well-cycled.

You can run the new filter in one of your cycled tanks for six weeks and it should be mature enough to transfer. Or, you can use some of the media from a mature filter and use Stability for eight days: Shake bottle well; double dose on Day 1 and normal dose Days 2-7.
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Thank you guys so much for all your responses! I really appreciate all the helpful comments!!
On what Russel said about stocking: Part of the reason I'm looking for new fish for my ten is because it feels empty. Most of my corydoras hang out in the back and sit a lot, playing in the evening when the tank is dark. I feel like I have to get new guppies because my endler and my guppy pick on each other out of boredom. I know my LFS has dwarf rasboras. Would a group of eight-ten chili or exclamation point raboras be better? Even if my tank feels empty and isn't as pretty aesthetically, I want healthy and happy fish first. @Russell TheShuhTzu panda guppies are more sensitive? I didn't know that, important information to have. :0) My plan for the five gallon was 5-6 guppies and cherry shrimp once the move was completed. As much as I want the pandas now for concern the move will happen and I won;t be able to get to the LFS that has them anymore, I'll wait to have healthier fish.

is it possible for me to purchase a few more endlers/ or a shoal (School?) of dwarf rasboras to eliminate aggression between my two remaining male live bearers without overdoing my tank?
@Hyunjicho thank you for the tips! I will go ahead and add in the five gallon's filter media to the current tens to cycle it. :0)

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Other Fish:

Endlers: Valentine (M red bar) and 2 Japan Blues (All males)

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I don't think Aqadvisor is that far off in estimating your tank is 65% overstocked. Twenty-two critters in a 10 gallon is quite a lot. When you adjust for substrate, plants, equipment, decor you probably have more like 7.5 gallons of water. So yes, you need to do something and a 35% water change per week isn't enough. What does Aqadvisor recommend? For how many gallons is your filter rated? What is the GPH?

Why not wait until the new tank is up and running? Cycle it with one of your Betta and then add the Pandas? They are so much more sensitive than regular Guppies and even Endlers.
Aquaadvisor says my current stock is something around 115%- 125% stocked. Honestly, if I didn't have the problem between my guppy/endler I wouldn't want to add anymore fish to it, but getting ride of them is How much of a water change should I do weekly? 45%? My filter is the Terta PF10.

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River: Blue Marble halfmoon

Other Fish:

Endlers: Valentine (M red bar) and 2 Japan Blues (All males)

Corydoras- black diamond, salt and pepper, bronze, pygmy, dwarf spotted.
5 chili rasboras
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I personally wouldn't add more fish- I'd probably return or give them away. I'd just choose one shoal and maybe a couple shrimp or snails.Like Russell said, surface area matters a lot. It's surface area that has the biggest umpact on how much fish you can keep. But if you do want to keep the two shoals of fish (3 is really over doing it in a 10 gallon. Even two I really don't recommend) and break up the aggression, add tons of plants. Just go wild and stuff it full. It'll help break up aggression because there's not a clear line of sight across and they have more places to hide when injured. The plants will also help keep the toxic waste at a minimum. But I really recommend only one shoal. Two is still overstocked IMO. But three? I might be wrong on all this but I'd say that it will overstock your tank by a whole lot.
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No, I agree completely. I would give away my guppies/endler, but I'm pretty attached to them after having them for a year and I have no one to take them. Does anyone have any experience with rasboras? On the bottom of my tanks I have the corys, very chill fish, in the middle just my two livebearers, and my betta on top. I will go for tons of plants, I've been saving and I have a list a mile long to get it nicely planted. ;0) What makes up a shoal? I can put my live bearers in a different tank and have corys, rasboras and my betta in the ten.

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Other Fish:

Endlers: Valentine (M red bar) and 2 Japan Blues (All males)

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Curious about stocking. Have a 10 gallon currently up and cycled with 3 mixed guppies (all pretty bland colorations) and 2 feeder guppies along with a mystery snail. How do you think a betta would do with that group?

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