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'Fraid I must disagree with my friend, Animal15. A larger tank is not always the best. Many Betta never adjust from going to a larger (even five gallon) tank from a cup no matter how heavily-planted or lowly-lit.

All of my tanks are heavily-planted and properly lit. Yet I have had many Betta over the years that were never comfortable in anything except a 2.5 gallon (12 x 6 x 8); one didn't stop stressing until, in frustration, I put him in a 1.5 gallon bowl. These Betta fin bit, glass surfed, etc., in a 20, a 10 and even a five.

FWIW, I now start all of my Betta in a 2.5 or one of my vases before I move them to my larger tanks. I have not experienced fin biting or glass surfing since I started this practice. This also quarantines them as my larger tanks are divided.

Enjoy your planning.

BTW, if you don't get the Rasbora, you could have 15 Neons or so in your tank. The larger the shoal the less aggression leaks from the shoal. That's what I'm going to do in the 20 long Betta tank my husband can see. It will have 25 Neons. Not because of the lack of nipping but because he only likes Neons. Since he supports my aquarium habit the least I can do is stock a tank to his liking.

Its ok I am glad you shared your experience with this!

I have never had bettas act this way personally. I did have one who stressed when I had to give him 5 gallons when he was used to 9. I generally recommend a bigger environment for those new to fish as I know how much easier it is to keep temperature and parameters stable. You made a good point though, maybe a cup to something of a smaller size and gradual introduction to a bigger tank is better.

Maybe having a divider on hand would work? You could give them a smaller area at first and over time move it giving them a tiny bit more space each time? The betta would benefit from the water quality of a larger tank, but would have a slow introduction to a larger environment.
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Thanks for all the advice! I’m guessing you guys are from America, I’m aware of stores keeping their Bettas in these cups you mentioned. I’m from England and I have never seen this. All Betta are kept in actual filtered heated tanks over here.
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Thanks for all the advice! I’m guessing you guys are from America, I’m aware of stores keeping their Bettas in these cups you mentioned. I’m from England and I have never seen this. All Betta are kept in actual filtered heated tanks over here.
Yes, here in the UK I have only ever seen betta on sale in filtered heated glass tanks of around (I am guessing) 1 to 2 g, or more. Those tanks usually have a plant in each one too. Sometimes they are in larger community tanks too, 1 betta in with rasboras or mollies, or other. The local fish store I often use will not sell you a betta unless you confirm it will be put in a tank of a minimum 5g size, preferably larger, and they check that any other occupants will be peaceful.
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70litre tank: (Kham) mature setup; betta, purple rasboras, amano and wood shrimp. Heavily planted.
22litre cube tank: (Tagawa); betta, 1 amano, yellow dwarf shrimp. Pond snails and 1 assassin. Heavily planted.
57litre cube tank: ember tetras, 2 amano, 1 nerite, pond snails, 1 assassin, doing his thing. Heavily planted.
200litre tank; honey gourami, cherry barbs, green neons, otocinclus, nerites, pond snails, amano. Heavily planted.

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Its ok I am glad you shared your experience with this!

I have never had bettas act this way personally. I did have one who stressed when I had to give him 5 gallons when he was used to 9. I generally recommend a bigger environment for those new to fish as I know how much easier it is to keep temperature and parameters stable. You made a good point though, maybe a cup to something of a smaller size and gradual introduction to a bigger tank is better.

Maybe having a divider on hand would work? You could give them a smaller area at first and over time move it giving them a tiny bit more space each time? The betta would benefit from the water quality of a larger tank, but would have a slow introduction to a larger environment.
When the 2.5 has a resident I divide and gradually increase space. However, for some that doesn't work; as with the ones I mentioned.

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Lisxjayne and bluesamphire- I wish pet stores sold bettas like that in

America! Sadly here a lot of pet stores will say things like " Bettas

do not need heated water"

or "They come from puddles in the wild so dirty water is ok".


I am sure somewhere they actually keep them in tanks, but typically chain stores keep them in tiny cups. I would spend extra money on a betta if it were taken well care of!
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When the 2.5 has a resident I divide and gradually increase space. However, for some that doesn't work; as with the ones I mentioned.
I will definitely be careful of what I post and how it is written from now on! My post especially this part

"The reason some people say bettas are stressed in large environments is because often the tanks are not planted enough, have too bright of lighting, ect. "

came across differently then what I really meant ( I tried to edit right after posting but it did not work). What I said was not directed at you though because I did not even know about the bettas you mentioned.
I know you take great care of your fish and give them everything they need!

I meant to say that sometimes people keep their bettas in 5+ gallon tanks, but do not give enough plants , don't heat the tank, or have bright lighting , which can stress out a betta .


Anyway, I will consider the bettas who need gradual adjustment, or just can not adjust to larger environments when posting from now on!
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@Animal 15 Never apologize, at least to me, for giving your best advice. I was just giving another perspective on why some Betta do not do well in larger tanks. I did not take anything you said personally. Besides, you were spot on in pointing out that wide open, brightly lit tanks are not good for Betta.

The curse with having had Betta and other fish for so long are the good and bad learning experiences one has cataloged.
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I'm going to have to disagree with the idea that neons are a good idea to house with bettas, for a couple of reasons. The first reason is that they are very likely to nip the long fins on the betta, this is the less important reason. The second reason is that they just aren't temperature compatible. You CAN house neons with a betta, but no matter what temperature you keep your tank at it will always be at the expense of one of the two species. While bettas need to be in the 80-82 degree Fahrenheit range, neons should be kept at 72-75 degrees Fahrenheit. Keeping the two species together almost guarantees problems with the health of your tank regardless of aggression, because no matter what you do one of the species will be pretty far out of their appropriate temperature range, substantially raising the chance of disease and infections.
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What I love about this Forum is the right of members to disagree and debate. It gives all something to think about before making a decision.

Most fish have a wide, not narrow, range of proper temperature. According to species profiles/studies Betta temperature range is 72 to 86 F; Neons 70F to 82. We must keep in mind that Neons are no longer wild-caught so pH, temperatures, depend a great deal on spawning water parameters which throws yet another monkey wrench into the equation.

I have always kept my Betta-based community tanks 77-78 with no impact on the health or longevity of any of the species...except when I tried to keep White Cloud Minnows (cold water fish) in a Tropical tank. Learned my lesson. Over the long-term too high temps definitely shortened their lives and quality of life. Poor WCM.
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