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Female Betta and Rams

I'd observed two, unpaired, Rams at the LFS several days ago and decided to add them today to the 10g with the female Betta. She'd been doing quite well with the one other fish in there, although I DID observe some alarming behavior when I went to put in 2 endlers the other day (which is how they ended up in the 5g with the Male that just feels his room has gotten too small but leaves them be).

The Rams are slightly larger than she is and they very docile. She however is not. I turned the lights off 45m ahead, put the bag in, let it rest. Fed her a bit hoping that would calm her. She watched them through the bag but seemed ok. I've let them out and shes not letting them rest. She's actually chasing the less mellow of the two (from what I'd seen in their tank this one was just more active and interested in stuff). Flaring around her reflection.

The lights are still off.

Should I move them to the 5g?!
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She gets along great with the angelfish but the rams? no go.
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Should I move her to the 2.5g temp?
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I'd move her and the Angel to the five and the male and the rest to the 10. Two Rams, a male Betta and two Endlers in a five is an accident waiting to happen and incredibly overcrowded. This could lead to the male Betta suffering from a literal ram battering. Also, Endlers are shoalers and as such need at least six.

That the female Betta was not good with the Endlers was a clue she is not a community Betta. The business with the Rams seals the deal.

You might need to get that larger tank sooner than planned. Or, you need to set up another 10+ so she and the Angel won't be in the five more more than a week or so.

As an aside, unless you are a purist check out some of the Endlers hybrids. I had Red Tuxedo Endlers hybrids that were gorgeous. 10 males shoaling around were something. Husband liked them *almost* as much as the Neons. LOL

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I'd move her and the Angel to the five and the male and the rest to the 10. Two Rams, a male Betta and two Endlers in a five is an accident waiting to happen and incredibly overcrowded. This could lead to the male Betta suffering from a literal ram battering. Also, Endlers are shoalers and as such need at least six.

That the female Betta was not good with the Endlers was a clue she is not a community Betta. The business with the Rams seals the deal.

You might need to get that larger tank sooner than planned. Or, you need to set up another 10+ so she and the Angel won't be in the five more more than a week or so.

As an aside, unless you are a purist check out some of the Endlers hybrids. I had Red Tuxedo Endlers hybrids that were gorgeous. 10 males shoaling around were something. Husband liked them *almost* as much as the Neons. LOL

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ugh, more tank adjustments. I'd hoped that with the Rams being same size/larger than she that she'd respond like she did to the angelfish. That the response to the endlers was them being tiny darty fish. But... yeesh. She is tailing them (no pun intended) everywhere. And they have hidey spots! But they're staying out in the open with her.

Have the 45 gallon on the way! Some time this weekend I hope but that's still a few days too long with what's going on now, and it'll be a few days of setup with substrate, plants and slow fill on water/weight. I planned to get additional endlers after I saw how the Bettas did with them, I didn't expect the male to be the one who's more laid back.

Love those Red Tuxedo!! I like them more than the Neons.

This is crazy.
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Now she's getting mad at the angelfish, maybe she'll be a solo 5g girl.

Edit: She's been put in time out while I make adjustments.

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Now she's getting mad at the angelfish, maybe she'll be a solo 5g girl.

Edit: She's been put in time out while I make adjustments.
Well, she's in time out in the 2.5g, which has clean water and lots of plants (it was my plant hangout spot) with a heater and filter so... I feel guilty for removing her from the 10g but as I was already growing concerned about her possible personality tweaks before the Rams, I'm ok with giving her a break from other fish.

I'm leaning towards making the 45g the community tank with the male, since he's doing fine with the endlers, though I will check with the Rams beforehand.

I will probably put her back in the 10g with just a snail and shrimp or two. Or in the 5g... with a snail or shrimp or two. But she wasn't feeling company.
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Just a word of warning, you are likely going to have to either sell the angelfish when it grows up, or put it in a tank with only other angelfish. They are known to be aggressive besides preferrring to swim vertically rather then horizontally, bettas are horizontal swimmers. Angelfish tend to be docile when they are small then develop an attitude once they get large. Amazing Angelfish (Full Article) | Details | Articles | TFH MagazineŽ
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They certainly can become aggressive but it's not a given. And I will keep an eye on them and adjust as needed. They will have a taller tank soon to figure it all out in.
Though I have my doubts this particular betta will be in with any of them.
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Just so others understand, I know you don't mean she got "mad" in the human sense. However, some do anthropomorphize and believe Betta actually get mad (or sulk or are "brats" or act resentful or whatever) so I'm taking this as a teaching opportunity. Hope you don't mind.

Fish don't get mad. What pnwbetta's girl is doing is maturing sexually and defending her "territory." She is acting normally.

One of the reasons sororities are so deceiving is in the beginning the females are all immature and get along and the sorority seems a success. Then they hit "that" age, as has this girl Betta, and BAM! KAPOW! all bets are off.
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