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600LITRES TANK 4xBETTAS

So yeah I must be crazy. I just installed a 600 Litres tank for my bettas. Filtered ( applied with bio- bacteria) Fully cycled and conditioned the water perfectly, with heater, with lot of plants and hiding places,some ornaments and some sponges.

It started last year when I bought my very first betta (Nexus). It was devastating at first, since I have no experience but I turned out fine after I've done my research. And now I have Lina, Huskar and Templar.
I understand about their behaviour and how they lived. Until now, I'm still doing a further research and apply it or do something different. I am not convince with what I learned so far and I want a breakthrough.

It all started with all of them living in separate 10L tank. Working on introducing them on pair and some exercises for months and months. And now I want them to let them be themself all together in a 600L tank temporarily for another exercises id like to try out and monitor any developement. The chemistry is amazing.
Nexus sentimental and feel stress in that 10litre tank. But now is very shy type, especially towards Lina haha. Lina will try to say hi on him every time they see each other now. he will try to approach everyone at some point. He don't mind sharing his hideout. And love to explore.
Lina is very moody on 10 litre tank and prepared to be alone. But now, She is surprisingly very friendly and ongoing with everyone. She like messing around with Nexus, likes to stalk and stare contest everyone.
Huskar glares everyone and still glares on everyone but very much often now and just swim away. He just seems territorial but it'll be fine
with that much space.
Templar is very chill to the core. He don't mind everything with a slow phase swim/ blank stare and seems cool with huskar.

We'll, all of them is probably still working on adapting the new environment. I hope theyll turned out well with that much space swimming.

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Do you mean you're putting them all together without dividers? That's not really recommended. If you want to have bettas together I would do a sorority. That could work well in a tank that size if it's really heavily planted. Having a male in there will probably result in fighting and/or illness, stress, and possibly death. I don't mean to offend you but putting males and females together in a tank rarely, if ever, works. Even if it does, it usually ends badly.
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600 Litres = 160 gallons, correct?

Even in that size tank you are seriously asking for trouble. Eventually someone will kill someone else or three will gang up on one or continuing stress will weaken immune systems and lead to disease and death. It is also very stressful for males to be in constant contact with females. You are forcing these fish you love to live an unnatural habitat.

As suggested above, you would do better to provide your males with separate tanks and turn this one into a sorority. Not that sororities are any less stressful or more natural.

Also, try to no anthropomorphize your fish; it is perhaps the biggest mistake an aquarist can make. As examples: Shy = Stressed; Stalk and Stare = Challenging; showing dominance; Glares at everyone = Warning to stay away; stressed.

I realize you are proud of your experiment but please recognize their actions for what they are: All the things you describe in human terms and as endearing traits are signs of stress.
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I agree with RussellTheShihTzu, anthropomorphism can have deadly consequences.

Your 'experiment' is risky enough. The fact that you are misreading potential warning signs just increases the risk.

Bettas are extremely unpredictable fish. I work with wild bettas, and over the years I've seen fish attack or even kill their siblings, parents, and long-term breeding partners. I have one female here that was completely blinded by her brother, who had grown out alongside her, and then had been paired up with her successfully for many months. I've had bettas attack and kill fish they'd lived alongside without issue for several years.

The fact that your experiment is successful for a week, a month, a year, doesn't remove the risk. The risk will always be there. Don't be lulled into a false sense of security.


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I agree with RussellTheShihTzu, anthropomorphism can have deadly consequences.

Your 'experiment' is risky enough. The fact that you are misreading potential warning signs just increases the risk.

Bettas are extremely unpredictable fish. I work with wild bettas, and over the years I've seen fish attack or even kill their siblings, parents, and long-term breeding partners. I have one female here that was completely blinded by her brother, who had grown out alongside her, and then had been paired up with her successfully for many months. I've had bettas attack and kill fish they'd lived alongside without issue for several years.

The fact that your experiment is successful for a week, a month, a year, doesn't remove the risk. The risk will always be there. Don't be lulled into a false sense of security.
Hey,Thanks for giving your concern. all good here. Everything is under control, as I said it just temporary. Id like them to adjust in bigger environment. Ill look out for any trouble.
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600 Litres = 160 gallons, correct?

Even in that size tank you are seriously asking for trouble. Eventually someone will kill someone else or three will gang up on one or continuing stress will weaken immune systems and lead to disease and death. It is also very stressful for males to be in constant contact with females. You are forcing these fish you love to live an unnatural habitat.

As suggested above, you would do better to provide your males with separate tanks and turn this one into a sorority. Not that sororities are any less stressful or more natural.

Also, try to no anthropomorphize your fish; it is perhaps the biggest mistake an aquarist can make. As examples: Shy = Stressed; Stalk and Stare = Challenging; showing dominance; Glares at everyone = Warning to stay away; stressed.

I realize you are proud of your experiment but please recognize their actions for what they are: All the things you describe in human terms and as endearing traits are signs of stress.
Hi Thanks for an openmind, Nexus is okay, he just needs to open up more of himself, and Lina wasn't showing dominance or challenging anyone, shes just curious about her mate ( all of that is in the first day). And now Huskar is a bit mutual now and I rarely see him glare. I'm amaze that Lina and Huskar are swimming together. that's a really good adjustment for them. Ill look out for any trouble don't worry. I know stress is like. As of now everything seems normal for me.
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Do you mean you're putting them all together without dividers? That's not really recommended. If you want to have bettas together I would do a sorority. That could work well in a tank that size if it's really heavily planted. Having a male in there will probably result in fighting and/or illness, stress, and possibly death. I don't mean to offend you but putting males and females together in a tank rarely, if ever, works. Even if it does, it usually ends badly.
Don't worry, It just temporary. I was doing a pair of them on before and its not showing most of a result I want so Id want to try it on a bigger tank. Its not the same with divider as it prevent them from encountering each other and I know they know that they are aware of each other on separate tank. And i dont want them to think that everytime they see each other, they gotta to, you know. I prefer to make them meet physically they. Can adjust when together ( It wasn't great at start but slowly over time they seems to realize what I want them to. That's its okay to have somebody ). It just a little bit cramp so I'm also making adjustment to give them a bigger space and see how it goes. This fish have growned gotten use to being alone and isolated and being alone seems anti-social and not used to seing one another ( Also I don't want them to end up like Voldemort/Darth Vader just so dark haha). As of now it all seems normal, like I said there personalities and behaviour has change a lot with that space and seems happy that they can swim that long without banging its head.
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Typically I'm one for experimenting to understand how things work and react, however, I am always against experimenting on animals, it almost never works out in favor of the animal. Despite the fact that there have been many cases that show otherwise, I understand that you believe you're giving them a better quality of life by putting them together. Ultimately, this is your experiment, but as the person running the experiment I was curious if you have a set procedure and taken the proper precautions for the experiment and to protect the animals?

Given that a fight can break out and be over in a minute with both sustaining serious and possibly life threatening injuries or even in the death of one, do you have appropriate monitoring for aggression or are they typically left for extended periods on their own?
What is the backup plan if you do encounter aggression or a potentially life threatening situation?
Do you have the expertise and resources available to treat injuries, or, more broadly, what is the course of action for injured animals?
Does the person monitoring the animals have the practical experience and knowledge to assess the behavior of the animals (stress, aggression, etc.).
You've said this is a temporary situation, what is the targeted end of the experiment?

Experimentation has procedures, controls and boundaries. When the end result has already been generally established, just throwing some animals together to see what happens without these controls and expect different results I see as just cruel.
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Typically I'm one for experimenting to understand how things work and react, however, I am always against experimenting on animals, it almost never works out in favor of the animal. Despite the fact that there have been many cases that show otherwise, I understand that you believe you're giving them a better quality of life by putting them together. Ultimately, this is your experiment, but as the person running the experiment I was curious if you have a set procedure and taken the proper precautions for the experiment and to protect the animals?

Given that a fight can break out and be over in a minute with both sustaining serious and possibly life threatening injuries or even in the death of one, do you have appropriate monitoring for aggression or are they typically left for extended periods on their own?
What is the backup plan if you do encounter aggression or a potentially life threatening situation?
Do you have the expertise and resources available to treat injuries, or, more broadly, what is the course of action for injured animals?
Does the person monitoring the animals have the practical experience and knowledge to assess the behavior of the animals (stress, aggression, etc.).
You've said this is a temporary situation, what is the targeted end of the experiment?

Experimentation has procedures, controls and boundaries. When the end result has already been generally established, just throwing some animals together to see what happens without these controls and expect different results I see as just cruel.
Hi I'm sorry for late reply.
Thank you for sharing your thought.
I understand your point and I cant agree more.
I take responsibility for my betta and I will do anything I can to assist everything effectively on whatever may comes.
I wouldn't do it for expirement. I just have to do something about what I felt is right. For the sake of a life quality that I want to offer them.What I did is simply to open up a new environment they not gotten used to which will make them strive and maximize their life potential. Meaning I'm opening up an opportunity so that they can use some ability that they can`t normally do as being isolated, like interaction - this will come into play in majority in there daily life basis. That's more likely lots of energy physically and mentally that is active, compared to being alone. With that, I think their life would really have a purpose that they can make. It will opens up a lot of activities that they can do and on how they would used that experiences. I would not want them to harm each other but to guide them forming a bond. I harnessed of how they response towards things like some reflection, toys, and towards another betta which is a lot of work to exercise them to be get used to new things. I think increasing their curiosity and being interested will help them form a bond to something. With this I minimize the chance of sign of stress. Also stress/struggle can be coup and part of life. It help them to be stronger and increase their survivality. Being secured and safe is fine but they lacking a little bit of life and spirit. To live like that, I couldn't imagine how much things they've miss of their lifespan. Its so worthy to live a life fully, doing everything they got with what they are capable to do.

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Hi I'm sorry for late reply.
Thank you for sharing your thought.
I understand your point and I cant agree more.
I take responsibility for my betta and I will do anything I can to assist everything effectively on whatever may comes.
I wouldn't do it for expirement. I just have to do something about what I felt is right. For the sake of a life quality that I want to offer them.What I did is simply to open up a new environment they not gotten used to which will make them strive and maximize their life potential. Meaning I'm opening up an opportunity so that they can use some ability that they can`t normally do as being isolated, like interaction - this will come into play in majority in there daily life basis. That's more likely lots of energy physically and mentally that is active, compared to being alone. With that, I think their life would really have a purpose that they can make. It will opens up a lot of activities that they can do and on how they would used that experiences. I would not want them to harm each other but to guide them forming a bond. I harnessed of how they response towards things like some reflection, toys, and towards another betta which is a lot of work to exercise them to be get used to new things. I think increasing their curiosity and being interested will help them form a bond to something. With this I minimize the chance of sign of stress. Also stress/struggle can be coup and part of life. It help them to be stronger and increase their survivality. Being secured and safe is fine but they lacking a little bit of life and spirit. To live like that, I couldn't imagine how much things they've miss of their lifespan. Its so worthy to live a life fully, doing everything they got with what they are capable to do.
Hi about your question earlier. I'm not sure how to answer all of them but here:
Yes I do have a resource for their meds. And I do have a basic knowledge of how to cure/care them.
I have a basic knowledge of identifying infections and disease and how to cure them and currently studying further about this matter.
And I'm responsible for monitoring and checking their vitality. I wont separate them everytime I leave though but I will when my bettas is in awful situation. but no aggression on my bettas. its really great. just a rarely flare but its not critical. the bond developing overtime.
overall water, maintenance is on perfect condition.
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