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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-04-2019, 08:57 AM Thread Starter
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Sorry, I continue to leave this forum frequently after a spike of being totally involved with the community and the hobby, until something goes wrong and I have to leave.

I just lost my brand new betta that I had bought at a show at the end of March, he died a couple of weeks ago and I have been trying to find the cause to why the bettas in this specific tank are dying slowly, and I think I have narrowed it down with the help of a friend. It occurs to me that the plants I am using may be the cause, as they have been through so many tanks that have undergone a lot of redecorating in the past, and they do have wire in the stems which I noticed had rust exposed on some of them. It may also be the fact that the plants are starting to deteriorate and the painted leaves are fading. We developed the idea to try again after removing the plants because it cannot be a water-related issue as we have several other tanks running with perfectly healthy bettas and two of them are quite old now.

I am going to try again soon with no plants at all to start out, and then later as time goes on I will look for new plants since I can't do live at this moment due to the fact that it's expensive and they don't live long in any of my tanks for some reason. Since the death I just felt so demotivated to even keep fish at all and practically did nothing with my aquariums until I had to move my community fish to a new tank things have been gaining a bit more structure.

So, that's that, I just hope that I can start getting back into the swing of things.

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I'm not trying to be smart or mean here. If you used live plants this would not happen. As far as cost goes, live plants are inexpensive, most beginner plants do not need any special care or anymore than low light. They can be floated for overhead cover, or planted in almost any substrate. They help keep ammonia down, and the nitrate given off when the ammonia is being broken down by your filter, feeds the plant. Planted in substrate they give hides and resting places.

When Silk plants start to break down and the wires get rusty the metal inside breaks down into heavy metals and build up in the tank. Even treating with prime or any other water conditioner does not continue to remove these metals. The oxides get trapped in the filter and remain there.

I think your absolutely right in the cause of loss. Plastic and wired silk may look nice at first and maybe for regular fish they do fine, but Betta are a total different fish. Plastic tears fins and at times has been known to trap a betta to the point he can't get lose. Silk, and depending on the type can also cause fin damage and if a wire is exposed over time What you just found out will happen again.
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sorry for your loss! I think starting without plants would be good for now but pending your setup I think you could find affordable live plants. thank you for sharing I will avoid fake plants on my new setup. at least you found the problem and can take corrective action good luck look forward to seeing pictures!
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@Old Dog 59 I have tried live plants numerous times in the past, both simple set ups with no special lighting or fertilizers, and with high quality lights and fertilizers, they died both ways in under a month and I am in no desire to try it again after wasting a lot of time and money on plants that don't stay alive. Don't get me wrong, they are beautiful and I still wish that I could keep them in my tanks, and if I could I would instantly. I am going to get some new silk plants from a local store that has quite a selection, and will ensure they do not have wire stems.

I will be uploading pictures of my community tank and the two other betta in my journal thread.

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If I were thee, I would get one...and only one...Anubias. I'd let it float or use a plant anchor to keep it on the substrate. I would also set my heater to 77-78. Many plants do not do well in temps 80+. They might live but they won't flourish. Make sure the lights aren't too bright for Anubias. They truly are "low light" plants and will get algae if in light too high for them.

If the Anubias was okay, I would either do an Anubias-only tank OR I would check my pH, KH and GH and only buy a plant that would do well in those parameters.

IMO, too many people who try planted tanks get too many and/or those which are ill-suited to their parameters. Do not let the label "Beginner" fool you. There are many I cannot grow because of my parameters...pH 7.8-8.0, hard water. The plants which do best for me are Anubias, Cryptocoryne, Swords, Subwassertang, all Moss and Ceratophyllum submersum (Soft Hornwort). I am going to try Ceratophyllum demersum (most common Hornwort) again. Many stem plants die within a month or so.

Anyhow, you didn't ask but decided I'd give you my thoughts on how to decide if you truly do have a black thumb.

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If I were thee, I would get one...and only one...Anubias. I'd let it float or use a plant anchor to keep it on the substrate. I would also set my heater to 77-78. Many plants do not do well in temps 80+. They might live but they won't flourish. Make sure the lights aren't too bright for Anubias. They truly are "low light" plants and will get algae if in light too high for them.

If the Anubias was okay, I would either do an Anubias-only tank OR I would check my pH, KH and GH and only buy a plant that would do well in those parameters.

IMO, too many people who try planted tanks get too many and/or those which are ill-suited to their parameters. Do not let the label "Beginner" fool you. There are many I cannot grow because of my parameters...pH 7.8-8.0, hard water. The plants which do best for me are Anubias, Cryptocoryne, Swords, Subwassertang, all Moss and Ceratophyllum submersum (Soft Hornwort). I am going to try Ceratophyllum demersum (most common Hornwort) again. Many stem plants die within a month or so.

Anyhow, you didn't ask but decided I'd give you my thoughts on how to decide if you truly do have a black thumb.
Thank you so much, this helps a lot! I totally agree with everything you've said, as I am part of another aquarium site where I had discussed this and they all recommended me crypts, bacopa, and ludwigia.

I just felt a little hesitant to try any of those plants so I was a bit stuck, but now that I know this I will definitely try an anubias and see how it goes. Do you think I need to use any type of fertilizer, or would it be alright without it for now?

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I cannot grow Bacopa for beans and Ludwigia is hit or miss for me.

I can rock Anubias and Crypts, though.

For an Anubias you really don't need fertilizers immediately. I am trying a new one (both liquid and root tabs) and will let you know how it works. It is called NiLoc.

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I cannot grow Bacopa for beans and Ludwigia is hit or miss for me.

I can rock Anubias and Crypts, though.

For an Anubias you really don't need fertilizers immediately. I am trying a new one (both liquid and root tabs) and will let you know how it works. It is called NiLoc.
Alright, good deal!

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I like these suggestions. I haven't added plants just started doing the research. do you guys disinfect or let them sit in quarantine first?
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I like these suggestions. I haven't added plants just started doing the research. do you guys disinfect or let them sit in quarantine first?
No; but I have Assassin Snails who will make short work of any pest snail hitchhikers.

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