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My betta bobby died yesterday. I've been keeping bettas since 2012, I think bobby was my 5th or 6th betta. He was the first one that wasn't a veiltail and he was a marble. He died about a week before his first birthday. I have a dirted planted tank. Over the years I've easily spent hundreds if not over a thousand dollars on tank stuff. But idk I don't want to tear the tank down and leave the hobby, but I'm just not feeling....I guess inspired? At night I LOVE turning all the lights off and just watching the tank, I work from home and my tank is in eye shot pretty much 24/7 but idk I just don't know what to do from here. It's only a 10g so I'm pretty limited in stocking options (I LOVE adf and even accidentally bred them once, I get WAYY too upset when they die and I'm not ready to go back yet) I thought maybe I'd try out cherry shrimp but it seems like I'd probably kill them accidentally so I'm not sure if I want to basically waste the money. I've always absolutely loved bettas but I'm under an extreme amount of stress right now and I guess I'm just sick of death. I have MTS, a nerite and bladder snails so my cycle isn't going to crash if it takes me a bit to make a decision... Idk has everyone ever felt like this? Does anyone have any advice? I impulsively ordered new plants last night but I still don't know what to do.


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Yes, I do understand, and am close to feeling that way. I can't seem to keep a betta alive longer then a year and a half, and am getting tired of losing them. Right now I lost my Cinnabar around 3 weeks ago and yesterday noticed that Bruiser, my favorite betta, has developed a rather large lump on his side, I'm REALLY not ready to lose him. I've reminded myself that a good 80% of the betta I get I get in really poor shape. Bruiser, for instance is from Wal-Mart, had severe fin rot when I got him, and had sat on the shelf for who knows how long before I got him. Most of the ones I get I'm pretty sure would have died if I didn't get them. With me they at least have a great life, and I've truly made a difference to them.

Having said that, I think you need to do what I've done, consider carefully where you get your betta from, and maybe go with a good breeder if you are getting them from a pet shop. With a good breeder you will be getting a betta that wasn't under extreme stress before you get it. It will have spent it's life in clean, warm, water and not have been kept on a store shelf in cold, dirty, water. I just got my first betta from a breeder and from the day I opened the box, he's been active, curious, and healthy. The water he came in was very clean and stained with tannins. I'll still rescue betta, but I'll also buy from breeders so that I hopefully have some that will live longer then 1 1/2 years.
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Yes, I do understand, and am close to feeling that way. I can't seem to keep a betta alive longer then a year and a half, and am getting tired of losing them. Right now I lost my Cinnabar around 3 weeks ago and yesterday noticed that Bruiser, my favorite betta, has developed a rather large lump on his side, I'm REALLY not ready to lose him. I've reminded myself that a good 80% of the betta I get I get in really poor shape. Bruiser, for instance is from Wal-Mart, had severe fin rot when I got him, and had sat on the shelf for who knows how long before I got him. Most of the ones I get I'm pretty sure would have died if I didn't get them. With me they at least have a great life, and I've truly made a difference to them.

Having said that, I think you need to do what I've done, consider carefully where you get your betta from, and maybe go with a good breeder if you are getting them from a pet shop. With a good breeder you will be getting a betta that wasn't under extreme stress before you get it. It will have spent it's life in clean, warm, water and not have been kept on a store shelf in cold, dirty, water. I just got my first betta from a breeder and from the day I opened the box, he's been active, curious, and healthy. The water he came in was very clean and stained with tannins. I'll still rescue betta, but I'll also buy from breeders so that I hopefully have some that will live longer then 1 1/2 years.

Thank you for your advice! I did have one betta, my second one Charlie, live 2 and half or maybe 3 years iirc. He was just a plain red veiltail from petco. Ime the "fancier" ones don't seem to live as long. I never pick the sickly looking ones (unless it's just clamped fins and paleness) because I'm really not good at diagnosing stuff. The 2 times I tried with my own bettas I was wildly wrong.

I agree I need to go with quality bettas but I live in a Midwest state in a "country" area so my options have always been very limited. My town just got its first "pet store" in 2017 and it's not really even a pet store it's an extremely expensive boutique that has a Betta corner. Before that I had to travel to get all my bettas. I've been very reluctant about having a Betta shipped to me because I don't know that much about it and I'm nervous about the Betta being in shipping. Plus isn't the shipping quite expensive? It's been going down to the 30s at night here already, could a Betta in shipping survive that? I was actually trying to look up breeders last night... how do I know if I'm picking a good breeder? I was kind of thinking it might be fun and maybe reinvigorating to contact a breeder and say something like "if I give you x amount of money will you pick a Betta for me idc about color or tail type" or is that dumb/setting myself up?



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Have you thought about trying a different species of fish? But one that would have a similar personality to bettas?

A pair of Fundulopanchax gardneri or Aphyosemion australe (probably the most beginner friendly killifish species) would work well in a planted 10 gallon tank - provided that it was well-covered as they are jumpers.

These fish are not only beautiful, but they interact with their owners in a similar manner to bettas. I can even get my male killfish to flare at a mirror.

They're very easy, low maintenance fish. The one downside, is that they only live for around three years. However, they will reproduce naturally in a planted aquarium.
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Thank you for your advice! I did have one betta, my second one Charlie, live 2 and half or maybe 3 years iirc. He was just a plain red veiltail from petco. Ime the "fancier" ones don't seem to live as long. I never pick the sickly looking ones (unless it's just clamped fins and paleness) because I'm really not good at diagnosing stuff. The 2 times I tried with my own bettas I was wildly wrong.

I agree I need to go with quality bettas but I live in a Midwest state in a "country" area so my options have always been very limited. My town just got its first "pet store" in 2017 and it's not really even a pet store it's an extremely expensive boutique that has a Betta corner. Before that I had to travel to get all my bettas. I've been very reluctant about having a Betta shipped to me because I don't know that much about it and I'm nervous about the Betta being in shipping. Plus isn't the shipping quite expensive? It's been going down to the 30s at night here already, could a Betta in shipping survive that? I was actually trying to look up breeders last night... how do I know if I'm picking a good breeder? I was kind of thinking it might be fun and maybe reinvigorating to contact a breeder and say something like "if I give you x amount of money will you pick a Betta for me idc about color or tail type" or is that dumb/setting myself up?



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I understand about not having any quality betta to choose from. In my town I have PetSense, and I had Wal-Mart until they stopped selling fish, to choose from, PetSmart is in the next town over and a 30 min drive to get to. Sadly PetSense seems to have very sickly betta and the cups they sell them in are the smallest I've ever seen.

To choose the breeder I used I went by word of mouth, and the reviews that the breeder had on his e-bay page. I also chose one that was in the same state as I am because I figured he'd know a lot about the local weather and how to best ship the betta in that type of weather. My boy arrived in a well padded, and insulated box. From what I understand during cold weather sellers put heat packs in the shipping box to keep the betta from getting too cold, and most won't ship betta if the weather is freezing.

The cost of shipping depends on where you are having the betta shipped from, I've seen some offering free shipping. I paid $12.99 for the shipping and consider the cost well worth it. If you get a betta from over seas then you'll be paying for a trans shipper, on top of paying for shipping and that's when shipping gets very expensive.

If you want to PM me the general area you are in I can look on E-Bay and see if I can help you find a decent seller.

I also agree with LittleBettaFish about checking out some other types of fish. My cory cats, in my 20 gal are around 2 years old and that oldest of them are doing great. They are not friendly like my betta, but they are fun to watch. The smaller species can go in a 10 gal, since you have a soil based, planted, tank they should do great in it.
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Have you thought about trying a different species of fish? But one that would have a similar personality to bettas?

A pair of Fundulopanchax gardneri or Aphyosemion australe (probably the most beginner friendly killifish species) would work well in a planted 10 gallon tank - provided that it was well-covered as they are jumpers.

These fish are not only beautiful, but they interact with their owners in a similar manner to bettas. I can even get my male killfish to flare at a mirror.

They're very easy, low maintenance fish. The one downside, is that they only live for around three years. However, they will reproduce naturally in a planted aquarium.


I did think about trying something other than bettas but I didn't think there was much that could go into a 10g. Will killifish just reproduce nonstop? My sister used to have a turtle and we got some kind of fish to feed it (don't remember what it was but the type had been recommended to us) and the turtle couldn't catch one or 2 fast enough and they had an extreme amount of babies. It was a nightmare. Also are they somewhat common? The petco closest to me has a relatively small fish section and I haven't been there in a long time but I'm guessing they will only carry the most common stuff since it's so small.


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I understand about not having any quality betta to choose from. In my town I have PetSense, and I had Wal-Mart until they stopped selling fish, to choose from, PetSmart is in the next town over and a 30 min drive to get to. Sadly PetSense seems to have very sickly betta and the cups they sell them in are the smallest I've ever seen.

To choose the breeder I used I went by word of mouth, and the reviews that the breeder had on his e-bay page. I also chose one that was in the same state as I am because I figured he'd know a lot about the local weather and how to best ship the betta in that type of weather. My boy arrived in a well padded, and insulated box. From what I understand during cold weather sellers put heat packs in the shipping box to keep the betta from getting too cold, and most won't ship betta if the weather is freezing.

The cost of shipping depends on where you are having the betta shipped from, I've seen some offering free shipping. I paid $12.99 for the shipping and consider the cost well worth it. If you get a betta from over seas then you'll be paying for a trans shipper, on top of paying for shipping and that's when shipping gets very expensive.

If you want to PM me the general area you are in I can look on E-Bay and see if I can help you find a decent seller.

I also agree with LittleBettaFish about checking out some other types of fish. My cory cats, in my 20 gal are around 2 years old and that oldest of them are doing great. They are not friendly like my betta, but they are fun to watch. The smaller species can go in a 10 gal, since you have a soil based, planted, tank they should do great in it.


I just checked my journal on here to be sure, my previous betta that I had also gotten from the boutique "pet store" lived just short of a year (from dec 17 oct 18) but he went through a lot with with trying out plants in a gravel tank (that weren't making it because I had no idea what I was doing) and me just making a lot of rookie mistakes and I think I sadly shortened his life. The bettas they sell don't really look sick though. When I used to go to pet stores they would have ones that were obviously sick in addition to ones that just look "regular" this one they all just look like typical cup bettas except some are pale. Perhaps where I went wrong was I picked one that was very obviously pale but that also looked like he had potential to marble (his body was completely white except for a few scales of dark and the fins were completely clear) after I put him into my tank his body completely colored and probably half of his fins... now that I'm actually typing this out that's obviously signs of an extremely stressed betta. That didn't click for me then.

Thank you so much for your offer! I would really like that! But I still want to think about what I'm actually going to do first. I'm going to be passing the boutique on Thursday so I was thinking of just stopping in and looking around but idk..

I've always been very interested in Cory cats but I didn't think any could go in a 10g??? If I did do that it would need to be a group of 6 (correct?) and they'd probably have to be the only fish in the tank since it's a 10g? Would they eat my snails? Or uproot plants?


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Yep, some species of cory cats can go in a 10 gal. You'd need to stick to the dwarf species of them. They do best in 20 gal or larger but can be kept in a 10 gal tank. You'd need a shoal of 6 or more. Nope they do not uproot plants unless the plants are not well rooted. They are completely peaceful and I've never had a problem with them messing with my snails, in fact I wish they would eat some of them LOL. Here's an article on them Corydoras in Miniature

If you want to give the petshop another chance what I'd do is call them and ask when they get their betta shipment in. Some stores have a set day, others order when they are running low on betta. If they are the later you can ask them to give you a call when they get a shipment in, or just keep an eye out when the betta are running low. Doing it that way I'd have the best chance of getting a betta that hadn't set around in dirty cold water with people stressing it out by picking up the cup to have a look at it.
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Yep, some species of cory cats can go in a 10 gal. You'd need to stick to the dwarf species of them. They do best in 20 gal or larger but can be kept in a 10 gal tank. You'd need a shoal of 6 or more. Nope they do not uproot plants unless the plants are not well rooted. They are completely peaceful and I've never had a problem with them messing with my snails, in fact I wish they would eat some of them LOL. Here's an article on them Corydoras in Miniature

If you want to give the petshop another chance what I'd do is call them and ask when they get their betta shipment in. Some stores have a set day, others order when they are running low on betta. If they are the later you can ask them to give you a call when they get a shipment in, or just keep an eye out when the betta are running low. Doing it that way I'd have the best chance of getting a betta that hadn't set around in dirty cold water with people stressing it out by picking up the cup to have a look at it.


Thank you that article was extremely helpful! But the sand I have in my tank is black diamond blasting sand.. I can't remember the grit off the top of my head but I still have the bag so I can check tomorrow. Iirc it's the finer grit one. It does feel ... not sharp but I guess really rough. That's probably a no go then? I also have a sponge filter. The splashing noise of the HOB filters drove me insane and I didn't care for my internal filter.

Thank you! I had never even thought to ask when they get their bettas in! I don't think people actually pick the cups up all that often at this place (shoppers I mean) their betta section is particularly nice that it's like square shelving so each betta gets its own individual hole there's not cups behind cups or cups stacked and the sides of the cups are frosted so the bettas can't see each other and each cup has an air stone in it and the lighting above makes it so you really don't need to pick up a cup unless you've made your decision because you can see the fish very well. Most of the times when I've been in there if someone wanted to pick up a cup they asked an employee for help because they weren't sure if they could just disconnect the air stone. I suspect the airstone is more just a deterrent for picking the cups up cause most or almost none of them usually aren't even blowing bubbles in the water lol. I haven't decided if I'm going to go or not tomorrow yet, I'm going to see how I feel in the morning.

But I just found out petco is having a dollar per gallon sale that goes until like nov 16th or something. My plant order came today and they randomly doubled my order (without increasing the price) and the amount of plants honestly don't fit in my tank (half are sitting in a pitcher next to my tank, don't know what to do with that yet lol) and I have always wanted a 20gL and I have the room for it, and I don't like how I dirted my tank. So I feel like really all signs are pointing to "get a new tank" But I just dirted this one in like March and I feel like those white things JUST stopped floating to the top like recently. And I also won't be able to get out to petco until just a couple days before the sale ends and I'd have to buy a new hood, the lightbulbs (which I'm notoriously bad at) and a sponge filter and air pump (my heater is good).. that's a lot of money all at once but then all my plants will fit. Idk. You've given me great advice so far, do you have anymore?


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You could flip what I did when I got my 20gal long. I slowly collected the stuff for it, so that when it was time to get it I just needed the tank, and glass lid. What you could do is get the tank, while it's on sale, then get the rest of the stuff for it as you can. Get a cheap 1 to 2.5 gal tank to put the plants in and you'll be able to use that as a hospital tank if you ever need to.

It sounds like they do the best they can for the betta at the petstore you go to. I wish all places were like that.

Yeah I did a dirted tank in the past and one of the reasons I hated it was the perilite constantly floating. Second reason was that the soil I used had a lot of wood in it and that wood caused constant air pockets so even though I had MTS I was constantly poking the soil. Poking the soil caused more perilite to float to the top. I stick to my sand now LOL.
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