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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-24-2019, 12:34 PM Thread Starter
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Been reading this thread and I have to say with the new designer tanks on the market, there is a very distinct lack of engineering. Yes they look so cool but they are not always usable for the needs of the fish. Yep you and your friends think the tanks are really neat but when it comes down to really being usable, Not so much. They have built in filters (great) what happens when they go bad? They can't be replaced and no other filter fits. Their tops have holes for feeding but no door just open space.

Yeah I went through this phase too, but I thought long and hard about the tank and how it would be used. Then I bought a regular 5.5, 10, 20 gallon or better. I then bought separate filters and heaters to place in them and a glass canopy, with a clear plastic back piece that I could cut to the exact size for the opening of the filter, heater and airline tubing. It has a lid to open and close for feeding and water changes. They keep the fish in and other animals out. No need for mesh or plastic wrap and the tank does the job it was meant for.

It does not cost any more than the designer tank and has all the needs taken care of . Oh Yes it looks like a regular tank. But when things fail, and they will, I can replace them easily and know the whole tank doesn't need to be replaced. I saw today in the Petsmart add they have a starter Top Fin 5.5 tank for $20.00 has the tank top Led light ( low light) and an adjustable filter (Top Fin 10) (They are a great filter by the way I have them in all my 5.5 and a Top fin 40 in my 10 gallon.) All you need to buy extra is the heater, substrate, plants, and fish.

In conclusion I find the new designer tanks not worth the price you pay to impress you and your friends. But then again I'm an Old Keeper and set in my ways and I find that the old tank style just does fine for keeping fish safe and happy.
I don't particularly like the look of the designer tanks, most of them have NO lids (what the heck? That doesn't keep out or in ANYTHING. There's an entire "high end" shop in WA state that has lidless aquascaped tanks and I think its ridiculous that people pay laughable numbers for a useless {to the fish} water dish) and flimsy engineering.

When I first got Jasper I just bought the minibow to hold him (out of that dinky cup) while I researched better tanks. The 5g fluval was only bought because the 9g (that was so well reviewed, but I'm not thrilled with) hadn't arrived and I was heading out of town - didn't want to leave him in the minibow where he was hopping into the filter and the filter was unmanageable for flow despite trying nearly everything.

I like the 5g because it has so much open glass space and a nearly silent filter, but that hole in the lid is strange. The 9g has a solid black back wall and a black lid, and yet even with the lighting on it just seems claustrophobic and dark to me. More water but less.. visual freedom? It might sound nutty but I swear the fish love to be able to look out of their tank. Or some fish anyhow.
I may just look at a personalized 'regular' 10-20g setup and send back the 9g. Or find some shy Betta that wants a hide out.

For me the point is to keep the fish safe and happy, but I feel that way about any critter in my life. They aren't there to impress others or fit in with my 'style', they are here as friends and companions and they deserve the best situation for them, not the prettiest. That's certainly not everyones opinion though sadly.
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post #12 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-27-2019, 07:47 AM
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Well Yesterday I needed to Go to Erie PA to get filter cartridges for my Top Fin adjustable filters. I have the Top Fin 10 for all of my 5.5 gallon tanks since they were Top Fin starter kits and I have one Top Fin 40 for my 10 gallon community tank only because I wanted to cut expenses on the cost of filter cartridges. Plus the filter is also adjustable.

Any way I was doing some pricing on tanks and noticed that the Top Fin 5.5 gallon tanks were on sale for $19.99 reduced from $39.99 (Me: Oh heck yes I know I don't need a new tank but I can't refuse this price.) I bought 25 of these starter kits. The reason is I will be adding tanks in our basement fish room by sometime in the spring. For that price for complete setups I can't go wrong. Now These setups do not come with a heater (but what the heck I can get heaters on sale for less than $18.00.) Their filters are very good and if you take notice to the pictures Their Tops are Led (low lighting) and there is a feeding door that is hinged to open and close. The filter cutout area is long and wide enough for the Top Fin 10 adjustable filter and also gives enough room to place a heater. It does not leave any room for a betta to jump out of the tank, all exits are covered. There is also enough room in this slot to run an air line. This is why I like these setups They are very reasonable in price give you almost everything you need to start a betta tank and Under $40.00 ( yes I'm cheap. LOL)(I call it frugal) Take a look at this setup and match it to a designer setup of the same gallons ($69- $139.00 ) and with this setup if a filter fails you are able to replace it for under $20.00 instead of having to buy a new tank.

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First of all, if every other person who read this wrote a company a letter something would happen. We are the Customers! If we voice our opinions to them they will come up with better options. We have the power to change them if we speak up to the actual company!
Mail topfin, aqueon, and other companies explaining the design flaws to their tops and filters.


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Try craft mesh. Comes in enough colors to blend in with the lid.
I got the mesh a few days ago, one day late for my beloved Jasper, but here for Orion and his hospital tank - though he doesn't seem to be much of a jumper (so far), and the other tank has zero jumpers. I will have to figure out how to put that on the smaller hole on the other lid though. Not risking that again.

Thank you for the advice!
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Well Yesterday I needed to Go to Erie PA to get filter cartridges for my Top Fin adjustable filters. I have the Top Fin 10 for all of my 5.5 gallon tanks since they were Top Fin starter kits and I have one Top Fin 40 for my 10 gallon community tank only because I wanted to cut expenses on the cost of filter cartridges. Plus the filter is also adjustable.

Any way I was doing some pricing on tanks and noticed that the Top Fin 5.5 gallon tanks were on sale for $19.99 reduced from $39.99 (Me: Oh heck yes I know I don't need a new tank but I can't refuse this price.) I bought 25 of these starter kits. The reason is I will be adding tanks in our basement fish room by sometime in the spring. For that price for complete setups I can't go wrong. Now These setups do not come with a heater (but what the heck I can get heaters on sale for less than $18.00.) Their filters are very good and if you take notice to the pictures Their Tops are Led (low lighting) and there is a feeding door that is hinged to open and close. The filter cutout area is long and wide enough for the Top Fin 10 adjustable filter and also gives enough room to place a heater. It does not leave any room for a betta to jump out of the tank, all exits are covered. There is also enough room in this slot to run an air line. This is why I like these setups They are very reasonable in price give you almost everything you need to start a betta tank and Under $40.00 ( yes I'm cheap. LOL)(I call it frugal) Take a look at this setup and match it to a designer setup of the same gallons ($69- $139.00 ) and with this setup if a filter fails you are able to replace it for under $20.00 instead of having to buy a new tank.
Pretty sweet setup there! I'll have to go check that out soon, even if it's just for a backup tank. Not that I'd add any more fish to it of course.
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First of all, if every other person who read this wrote a company a letter something would happen. We are the Customers! If we voice our opinions to them they will come up with better options. We have the power to change them if we speak up to the actual company!
Mail topfin, aqueon, and other companies explaining the design flaws to their tops and filters.


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Very good idea! They might sell more tanks if they know what the customer actually wants. :)
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First of all, if every other person who read this wrote a company a letter something would happen. We are the Customers! If we voice our opinions to them they will come up with better options. We have the power to change them if we speak up to the actual company!
Mail topfin, aqueon, and other companies explaining the design flaws to their tops and filters.


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I do like your idea of contacting the makers of the tanks and hoods in question. However the companies will listen to you politely and then keep right on making the tanks and hoods the way they want. Now don't get me wrong like I said it was a good idea. But first you need to understand that any change no matter how small it is will cost a company more in redesign and retooling not to mention the cost it will incur in retraining the employees to use the new tooling. It may all take over 5 years to retool and restart manufacturing again. Can they afford to do it slowly? Maybe. How much does it cost to have a letter opened and read? Not much. How much does it cost to re design and re tool (billions) Do you have the cash on hand to back their retooling do any of us> NO we do not.How much does it cost to have customer service or a complaint Dept be nice and listen to what you have to say and then hang up and the call go nowhere maybe a few dollars.

There are other tank solutions out there but the fish don't care what the tank or hood or lights look like they only care that they have a clean and healthy environment. They don't know or even care what the tank looks like to humans.

The best thing we can do for these designer deficient tanks is to come up with a way to keep the looks but we can make them safe for only a few dollars and the tanks still look nice. We give each other advice on how we did it and it goes from there. Other wise stop paying the outlandish price for these tanks.
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