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As I was pondering upgrading tank sizes, and a possible plant tank, I was wandering around online and found some beautiful but large tanks. I said 10 feet?! My hubby said, that would be beautiful against the wall in your office!
Wait... what?! I didn't think he'd be that into it. I can't fit a 10 ft wide tank in this room at the moment, but now I'm looking at 4-5' wide tanks. Starting with a aquascaping setup I think. Make sure it's fully planted and ready for fish before I go hassling them into that.
Who knew I'd go from 2.5 to 5 to 10 to.. 45??

I still think that Ori will stay in a 'smaller' tank, even if that means just a 10-15 that fits right next to my desk. But I think the other fish, and future fish, could go in something bigger. I knew there was a reason I didn't find a bookshelf for that wall.
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My favorite "large" tank is a 55. I think this month both PetCo and PetSmart have a $1.00-per-gallon sale. Go with PetSmart if you can as they carry Marineland. It is a more universal size that the Aqueon.

And there is really no need to do fish-less cycling unless one just wishes to do so. With the advent of products like SeaChem Prime which neutralize Ammonia and Nitrite for 24 hours there is really no danger to the fish if you add Prime daily. I have fish-in cycled since dirt and have never harmed/killed a fish while doing so. I'm still trying to understand all the brouhaha.

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My favorite "large" tank is a 55. I think this month both PetCo and PetSmart have a $1.00-per-gallon sale. Go with PetSmart if you can as they carry Marineland. It is a more universal size that the Aqueon.

And there is really no need to do fish-less cycling unless one just wishes to do so. With the advent of products like SeaChem Prime which neutralize Ammonia and Nitrite for 24 hours there is really no danger to the fish if you add Prime daily. I have fish-in cycled since dirt and have never harmed/killed a fish while doing so. I'm still trying to understand all the brouhaha.

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Well, I was thinking more of the aquascaping first because in a tank that size I have a feeling I'll be doing daily adjustments for.. a while. It was more to not jostle the fish around and muck up their water right away. It just feels rude to set it up and then go in every day and redo it all. Then again these current fish all seem more interested than offended.
The angelfish came up and started nibbling my arm while I was messing around earlier. Guess he hoped for food bits.

I completely agree, I don't understand all the brouhaha over that either.
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I know you would be very pleased with what you can do with a 45 gallon as far as a planted tank goes. However with the 1.00 a gallon sale going on at Petco and Petsmart it is only on certain size tanks The tank sizes this applies to are 10, 20 High, 20 long, and 29 gallon for Petco any Aqueon tank over those sizes they carry in store would be 1/2 off the price. I'm pretty sure Petsmart is the same. Having a good amount of space in your office is a really great thin ( I know If I want space I have to go to the basement LOL) If you really have the space and since you are looking at the same length and width I would suggest a 75 gallon You may be surprised at how the size really does work. However it's not the space I worry about with larger tanks. It's the weight a 45 gallon tank weighs in the neighborhood of 376 pounds with just water in the tank this would not be with any substrate. With at the very least 2" of substrate in a 45 gallon you would need 90 pounds so that would increase the weight to 466 pounds, and then you would have other weight of decor so say 500 pounds total weight on a regular floor of a home You would need to make sure the floor could hold that weight. If you have an apartment you better ask the land lord for permission to have the tank and tell them what the weight is. Just in case the person living below you one day has a 500 pound aquarium in their apartment that they didn't want. If you have a cement floor under the tank you have no worries. (this is why I have all my large tanks in the basement I know the floor will hold the weight.

Just somethings to think about before you go to any expense. By putting a tank on a stand you also must know what that stand weight is combined with the total tank weight and make sure the stand will support the weight. I made a mistake like this years ago with a 55 gallon and it wasn't pretty when the stand collapsed under the weight and the apartment manager was not happy for the damage to our apartment and the one below us. It was an insurance claim on my part of over $15,000.00 that woke me up and also being thrown out of my apartment.
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I know you would be very pleased with what you can do with a 45 gallon as far as a planted tank goes. However with the 1.00 a gallon sale going on at Petco and Petsmart it is only on certain size tanks The tank sizes this applies to are 10, 20 High, 20 long, and 29 gallon for Petco any Aqueon tank over those sizes they carry in store would be 1/2 off the price. I'm pretty sure Petsmart is the same. Having a good amount of space in your office is a really great thin ( I know If I want space I have to go to the basement LOL) If you really have the space and since you are looking at the same length and width I would suggest a 75 gallon You may be surprised at how the size really does work. However it's not the space I worry about with larger tanks. It's the weight a 45 gallon tank weighs in the neighborhood of 376 pounds with just water in the tank this would not be with any substrate. With at the very least 2" of substrate in a 45 gallon you would need 90 pounds so that would increase the weight to 466 pounds, and then you would have other weight of decor so say 500 pounds total weight on a regular floor of a home You would need to make sure the floor could hold that weight. If you have an apartment you better ask the land lord for permission to have the tank and tell them what the weight is. Just in case the person living below you one day has a 500 pound aquarium in their apartment that they didn't want. If you have a cement floor under the tank you have no worries. (this is why I have all my large tanks in the basement I know the floor will hold the weight.

Just somethings to think about before you go to any expense. By putting a tank on a stand you also must know what that stand weight is combined with the total tank weight and make sure the stand will support the weight. I made a mistake like this years ago with a 55 gallon and it wasn't pretty when the stand collapsed under the weight and the apartment manager was not happy for the damage to our apartment and the one below us. It was an insurance claim on my part of over $15,000.00 that woke me up and also being thrown out of my apartment.
That's an awful way to learn about the troubles of a tank, large or small. I've always been paranoid about tank breakage/leaking, whether in an apartment, an office or house. And in apartments, we moved so much I never really got comfortable with an aquarium.

Had dreams for ages of coming in to find the tanks nearly empty and fish struggling to breath. I'm sure there's something psychological in that, but it does carry through to my waking tank planning hours.

Thankfully this is our house, at long last, and this is a good reminder I should make sure that the insurance would cover any major incidents. But there's no asking the landlord for permission anymore. (Although one of our previous landlords was the type to get excited over any pet additions we hoped to make, that was a nice change for many, many years there)

Last night I caught myself before I went all plant purchase crazy (which I do when it comes to plants of any kind, my yard is usually a master gardeners dream of unusual and unique plants), going between the different tanks. There is a HUGE difference in all of it when comes to 30 vs 45 vs 65 or higher tanks. Cost to get going, keep going, plans for the tank, where it goes, how heavy, what fish, etc.

Also have to make sure the stands can hold 400-650lbs. I have one stand I know will be fine but it is an awkward size.
Anything wider than 4 feet is probably going to have to sit in a window space of some sort, and while it's a north facing window in a very gray locale with trees that block most sun light, that doesn't mean it won't cause issues.

Going to consider it over the next few days as I finish organizing the office from our move back in after a major construction project, the 65+ gallon is tempting but I do worry I'm biting off more than I can chew so to speak. Not so much cost, because I'm well aware now that it will be an expense - I've seen what I can put into a 10 gallon in just plants! But more the maintenance, setup, and brooding over fish behaviors.

Then again, I can get a 30+ for one area and a 45-65+ for the other spot and see how it goes.. it doesn't help matters when one can get it delivered within 1-2 days of purchase.

Might have to purchase a lounge chair for fish watching though.
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Yep your addicted. LMAO You have all, and I do mean all the symptoms Way to go. Got to love it .
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Yep your addicted. LMAO You have all, and I do mean all the symptoms Way to go. Got to love it .

It's so true. I'm itching to pull the trigger on a bigger tank, I even have a few plants on the way (before I stopped myself). But I really do want to get the stand and such setup before I find myself with a giant tank and all its accompaniments with no where to set it up.
I did look when I went to the pet store today. >.>
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First before you do anything else. You talked about putting the bigger tank in your office right? Take a tape measure in and measure the floor space you have. Measure the length of the tank space and then the width The height will only matter when you place it on a stand so you need to know how high the stand will be. (normal stand height is 30 -32 " from the floor to the top. Now here are some tank sizes in general size wise. Unless you get fancy with bow fronts. 40 gallon breeder tanks are 36" long by 18" wide and 16" high. Total weight filled and planted is around 500 lbs. and a good stand will displace this weight on the floor. 40 gallon High tank is 36" long 13" wide and 20 " high. with the same total weight. A 55 gallon tank is 48" long 13" wide and 16" high (long and narrow tank) Total weight is also around 550 lbs. this would also be disbursed by a good stand made for this size aquarium. A 65 gallon tank is 36" long by 18" wide and 24" high total weight is around 600 lbs. A 75 gallon tank is 48" long 18" wide and 24" high total weight is right around 700 lbs So now to find out if the tanks will be alright in your office as far as the floor taking the weight. You would have to look at the floor rafters if they run in a pattern Horizontal to the door the tank stand would sit on each rafter, and be supported by the floor. However if you look, and they run vertical this would mean there is no support for the stand and tank. all you have is the floor boards and sub floor to take the weight which will not be enough to support the aquarium. So you would need to be able to run the stand and tank horizontal to the rafters supporting the floor. This would be the only thing that would change weather youcould use the floor space.

Now go look at your tanks in the pet store measure each one for size look at the stands they have for them and pick the one you can afford. There are pet stores that sell complete setups and you may need to buy the filter and heater. The only way to go with the filter is a canister filter and with the difference in tank sizes and volume of water needed to heat you are looking at a 200 to 300 watt heater.

Yeah it's a lot to think of but so worth it when you have it setup and pull up a comfy chair or couch at night turn on the light and snuggle with you hubby. (so relaxing and then there is the fun of the snuggling and what happens when it turns yu back into a teenager again.) LOL
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First before you do anything else. You talked about putting the bigger tank in your office right? Take a tape measure in and measure the floor space you have. Measure the length of the tank space and then the width The height will only matter when you place it on a stand so you need to know how high the stand will be. (normal stand height is 30 -32 " from the floor to the top. Now here are some tank sizes in general size wise. Unless you get fancy with bow fronts. 40 gallon breeder tanks are 36" long by 18" wide and 16" high. Total weight filled and planted is around 500 lbs. and a good stand will displace this weight on the floor. 40 gallon High tank is 36" long 13" wide and 20 " high. with the same total weight. A 55 gallon tank is 48" long 13" wide and 16" high (long and narrow tank) Total weight is also around 550 lbs. this would also be disbursed by a good stand made for this size aquarium. A 65 gallon tank is 36" long by 18" wide and 24" high total weight is around 600 lbs. A 75 gallon tank is 48" long 18" wide and 24" high total weight is right around 700 lbs So now to find out if the tanks will be alright in your office as far as the floor taking the weight. You would have to look at the floor rafters if they run in a pattern Horizontal to the door the tank stand would sit on each rafter, and be supported by the floor. However if you look, and they run vertical this would mean there is no support for the stand and tank. all you have is the floor boards and sub floor to take the weight which will not be enough to support the aquarium. So you would need to be able to run the stand and tank horizontal to the rafters supporting the floor. This would be the only thing that would change weather youcould use the floor space.

Now go look at your tanks in the pet store measure each one for size look at the stands they have for them and pick the one you can afford. There are pet stores that sell complete setups and you may need to buy the filter and heater. The only way to go with the filter is a canister filter and with the difference in tank sizes and volume of water needed to heat you are looking at a 200 to 300 watt heater.

Yeah it's a lot to think of but so worth it when you have it setup and pull up a comfy chair or couch at night turn on the light and snuggle with you hubby. (so relaxing and then there is the fun of the snuggling and what happens when it turns yu back into a teenager again.) LOL
There's two spots I'm considering, one has a support beam under the near middle of it, and the other has one to the side but is also an exterior wall with some extra support. They just ripped up our floors not long ago and we got to go over exactly what they actually left out when constructing the house. Bleh.
If I go any larger than the 45 gallon I will likely have someone reinforce the floor, because of how lackadaisical they were putting it together.
From what I understand upwards of 1000-1500 pounds would be just fine in those spots, but that's not a risk game I feel like playing. Especially when it comes to living creatures in a water box.
I don't see myself going over the 63 gallon anyhow, and I'm considering the reality that even a 63 vs a 45 is a big difference in planting, maintenance, etc. I'm sure once I got the 45 set up I'd think "Why didn't I just get the 63?!" but I'm not there yet. :P
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You got it going on and sounds like a plan.
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