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post #11 of 26 (permalink) Old 02-14-2020, 01:52 PM
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I, personally, feel that it'll just encourage children, or even adults, to purchase these bettas without knowing the proper care for them. They'll seem like toys for show. I feel sad as is for the poor bettas in their tiny cups, and now for the chances of the regular pretty bettas being out-bought by their artificially shinier counterparts.
But heck, even the glowy bettas deserve good homes regardless.
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post #12 of 26 (permalink) Old 02-14-2020, 06:20 PM
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Glow rabbits? Wow.

May I ask what enlightened place you reside that it's unethical to manipulate genes merely to increase sales of fish?!

I saw a YouTube video of a LFS in, I think Germany (not sure, may have been Netherlands) but it's unethical in that country to keep betta in tiny cups - in the video all the betta were in gallon compartments.
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FWIW, these animals were genetically engineered for medical purposes and not to see them "glow" to sell to the general public.

The rabbits, for instance, are part of experiments to find ways to get medicines in animal milk to make them more accessible and cheaper in underdeveloped countries.
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@Phish Head genetically manipulated pets are illegal in the whole of the european union
I used to live in Greece Norway and Ireland where i never saw one of these in shops same in Germany where I live now.
It could be Germany. As s seller you have to use tanks with a specific size in order to display fish. I think it has to be a minimum of 55liters. There are some exception for example you can put bettas in 10l tanks to keep them separated, but fish in cups on display are absolutely prohibited.
These kind of laws differ vastly from country to country for example you cant buy dogs or cats at a pet store in Germany but in France you could.
@RussellTheShihTzu you are absolutely right. The intention for making these animals were created for scientific purposes which is a good thing since they are used to help people advance in one way or the other.
But after glofish acquired them and started selling them as pets and also made new ones in other colours it was deemed unethical here.
So in our understanding over here creating a glowing dog for any scientific process is deemed ethical using it as a pet is not.
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@GeorgeIzmael : I was referring to just rabbits. Yorktown Technologies, IMO, should never have been given the patent to create these aquatic creatures.

I hope the scientific community has learned its lesson as I Googled all sorts of ways and could not find any "glowing" mammals for sale. Whew!
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I will say one more time that this practice of creating a genetic product out to enhance the pockets of a breeder that is totally unethical. Just because we can does not mean that we should. Betta have been bred for hundreds of years many times to enhance their beauty. There have been failures along the way and those, even though enhancements have spun more interest there was always a study of what defects were bred in to these failures and those practices were ended. Yes Betta are bred for their finnage and color. Their tail types. But ethical breeders know their limits and don't cross them. All these new people coming into this hobby seem to think breeding is something easy. You breed two betta that you have no idea of any problems with that fish or the other and the span happens and they don't like the results or the fish form problems like tumors and unknown and UN thought of failures. Ethical breeders choose their stock for what the market will accept and the choices are of healthy stock that they know the linage of. But new people that are trying this don't think about this. I'm not saying Don't breed to the new people but what I am saying is Don't breed stock that you don't know is healthy until you are sure they are and no problems will occur.

As far as this genetic splicing of any animal unless it is for science and ethical treatment will occur after the fact, Than the reason must be defined as it was for the Rabbits in trying to find a way to help children with a medical problem. they were not created and sold as pets They were created to enhance human life. Glow Betta were genetically spliced to create a product to sell to enhance someones pockets. This is totally wrong.
Unfortunately there are those out there that will enable this practice and ruin a great hobby with fish that will end up dead or dying in the pet store shelve.

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I am at Petco at Union Square Manhattan every week to get food for my dog. I see there shelfs fully loaded with bettas. They must have 100 of them or more. Hard to count them. I often see them.changing water for the fish and they usually doesn't look malnourished. I also often see parents with small kids buying those Bettas and really small containers to house them. The fish is treated as a toy not leaving creature with demanding needs. I just feel that glow bettas are design exactly for this purpose. To be fancy toys for kids without any knowledge about their needs. It is totally wrong. Thoes kids often under age of 10 won't search for advice and information how to improve their betta life.
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No matter if they are Glow betta or regular betta if a parent buying a pet for a child is the one responsible for seeing the right care is given to the animal ( or fish in this case. ) It is not up to child to do the research it is up to the parent. The store has a responsibility to inform the person (if any questions are even asked ) to give the right information. This goes to any pet but the stores do not do this in case there could be a law suit for wrong information.

We the responsible Keepers and hobbyist need to get the right information out and let it be known what is right and what is wrong information. Remember there is a difference between a hobbyist and a keeper. That would be the experience each has and the time they have been involved. But than again a person who buys on impulse Is neither. So they don't care about information right or wrong. Just give me the basics and let me alone.

The ones who care do the research and find the information and care that their pet will need. that means they care. The proper information is not hard to find.
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The store has a responsibility to inform the person (if any questions are even asked ) to give the right information. This goes to any pet but the stores do not do this in case there could be a law suit for wrong information. .

I laughed at this. These are RETAIL ASSOCIATES. Their one sole job is to sell pets and products, to make money for the company. Any petstore associate that raises their hand in defense of selling a pet is bound to get fired, which is why petstores typically don't have good fish keepers or pet lovers as their employees.

If there was a lawsuit, it would probably be forced to arbitrate, which is why you've never heard of any lawsuits. Arbitration is a secretive way of protecting a company from lawsuits, and essentially stops consumers from suing. That means you can't get a company to change from something they are doing wrong. Watch your rights fly out the window when an Arbitration agreement is in a TOS.

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I can personally attest that I have not yet seen any glo-bettas (or any glo-fish for that matter) on the shelves on either small LFS or the large franchise Pets at Home here in the UK. Then again, I have barely seen any Bettas at any pet store here in the UK, and when I do, usually no more than two or three divided up among larger community tanks with other fish (guppies, tetras ect.) The cup phenomena I think, is limited to stores in North America. All the fish here seem to be decently treated, although perhaps with the filter output a bit too strong for some of the bettas in the community tanks-tanks clean of debris or dead fish, healthy plants ect. I am actually quite impressed. It is also a lot harder to order livestock fish online here than in North America. Again I'm not sure if thats because the fish industry is a lot smaller here in Europe/UK, or if animal welfare guidelines are better enforced and kept.

I doubt I will ever acquire a glo-fish betta for the sole reason that I never cared for them when they were other species of fish...the ones I saw back in Canada looked pretty enough I suppose, when they were all lit up in their tank, but I don't personally like the artificial/decorative appeal and prefer more natural scapes more generally-for any kind of fish. I also don't like the black light-although I'm not a fan of artificial lighting much either, a blacklight can't be used to grow plants or even fully "display" the fish, only highlights the tacky fluorescent colours and cheap plastic decorations. Also, I'm not sure how it would disrupt the natural sleep cycle of the fish, especially betta, which are diurnal like us-and thus sleep at the same time as we do (at least on nights where I'm not awake with all the lights on doing homework haha-poor Sisyphus is probably as sleep deprived as me some mornings).
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