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I don't recommend buying something that will remove the ammonia, as your filter bacteria need ammonia to feed off in order to establish. Remove the ammonia = no bacteria.

Stick with the ammolock and get yourself a good biological supplement and double or even triple dose (perfectly safe, in the times I have used it years ago). I would also reduce the stock, half your feeding and keep up with water changes. Good Luck hon.
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I have 3 dwarf gourami, 8 guppies, 3 gobys and 1 bristle nose.

They don't really hide as such, I see them all over the tank at different times but mainly near the drift wood. I'll post a photo of the tank.

So if I go to the pet store what should I ask for? keep in mind I live in Aus should I just go and look for something that says biological supplement?

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I have a filter that does 1480L an hour so I don't know if that's going to help anything
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http://www.petbarn.com.au/fish
This is the pet store I will be going to ^ perhaps if you could go to the site and have a look at the aquarium treatments and suggest some things for me to get? I am going there after I have finished work today :)

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I bought some test strips, and these were the readings, (excuse the feet lol) all are pretty much 0 except PH and Nitrates seem to be at 20. my ammonia is still high at about 4 so I am doing another tank clean today, I also added stress zyme which to me sounded good;
STRESS ZYME adds beneficial bacteria to break down and consume organic matter to help keep the aquarium clean. The bacteria in STRESS ZYME is uniquely suited to consume aquarium sludge, and keep the gravel clean. Contains over 300 million live bacteria per teaspoonful. Breaks down organic compounds that cause dangerous conditions such as ammonia and nitrite poisoning and low oxygen levels. These bacteria improve the development of the biological filter and help clean a dirty aquarium.

I also bought some weird rocks in a bag that your meant to put in your filter to remove nitrite and ammonia, but one was too big so I have placed it near an air stone, the other is the same and I've managed to get it into my filter I'm not 100% sure if these are a good idea, but they can always be removed
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Okay,

the bumblebee gobies (particularly the one on the left of the last picture) have stress colouration - you see how he's very faded compared to the other? They do this when stressed (literally anything from the stress of being netted/bagged up, transport to your tank, settling in, temperature change or poor water quality - they are a very good indicator fish!) and it gives you an indication of who to keep an eye on. The Gobies are less likely to tolerate poor water conditions than the rest. That being said, from the pics you've put up, no one looks too bad or too effected by the water conditions just yet, other than the Goby - so that's a good thing.

From what I can see of your test strip results your KH is 0, your GH is a little above 0 (maybe around 10), nitrite 0 and Ph 6.0. Is your Ph really 6.0? That's quite low for most of the fish you've got. Do you guys in Aus have naturally soft acidic water? I notice on the website you provided they have lots of buffering products. Guppies tend to prefer something around neutral or higher, but they do adjust. As far as the Gobies, they actually swim between strong brackish and freshwater, so they tend to prefer much harder water with a higher Ph (salt in the water raises GH, KH and Ph) so how they're going to do long term in your setup I'm not sure. The Gobies once settled are very active and will use all of the tank, they will stick to the glass high up, low, everywhere. Once they are settled is when the nippy/territorial behaviour comes out. For the sake of your guppies and the gobies preferring different water conditions I honestly recommend taking them back but that is up to you. If you want to keep them, you'll need to break up line of sight a little more with plants and décor. Bare in mind if they start nipping over the next few weeks while your tank is still cycling, this will open your guppies fins up to bacterial infections and finrot etc due to the unstable water conditions so do keep a good eye on them as you don't want more problems than you'll already have!

I've had a look at the site you linked to, and the only thing I can see that store carries is Seachem Stability, which I believe you already have? It's a bit limited choice! I've had a look at the product and it says there's no danger of overuse (didn't think there would be) so if it were me, I'd be overdosing this product for the first week. It says to dose 1 capful to 40 litres on the first day, then one capful per 80 litres for 7 days. I'd test your ammonia today, dose 3 capfuls and test your ammonia tomorrow. If the ammonia has come down some tomorrow, dose a couple of capfuls a day for 2/3 days, then if it continues to come down and you see a reading of nitrite, do the capful for the rest of the time until results are normal.

If you have a cycled filter running on another tank, you can just take a bit of the media out of that filter (a bit of sponge or whatever) and squish it into this tanks filter to seed it, and that will help a lot. If you don't, give the store a ring and ask if you can purchase a small amount of their mature media on their tanks. This really will help immensely. As far as the filters turnover, it's not going to help whatsoever in the cycling process no, only good bacteria can do that and the problem is you have none.

I'm not too up on gourami's in truth, so perhaps someone can help a little better here but I'm thinking 3 in a 2 foot tank may be a problem? Hopefully someone can confirm/correct.

I hope all this helps!
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For some reason I thought you had Seachem stability, but if it's api stress zyme you have, try that. Couple of capfuls a day should be fine. :)
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I noticed one goby looked really sickly when I got him and it's that one in the picture, they do often stick to the tank glass, I think the PH reading is possibly a bit off as I had made it to about 7 so I will fix that I was told at the pet shop that they like higher PH

I did have intensions of getting more live plants this weekend I just thought I'd leave the tank alone for now that was all. I could take some filter media from one of my cycled betta tanks?
If I over dose the stability it's going to make the ammonia high because stability is just bacteria?
I have stress zyme and stability as well as ammonia and nitrite stabilizing filter media.
As for the gourami they are dwarf, they are tiny and I was told 3 to 4 would be okay for an over sized 2 ft so I don't know /:

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They won't grow much bigger than they are now, they are about 5cm and that's being generous with size, the tank is about 70 liters

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Whats your male/female ratio for the dwarf gourami? They can become aggressive to each other unless you have a male with 2 females. But in a 2 foot tank, thats still not much space at all and aggression may happen anyways.

They get to be about 2-3 inches full grown. So your going to be very tight on space.

Hopefully if you keep doing daily water changes to keep the ammonia at safer levels your tank will eventually cycle. At 4ppm though, your most likely going to lose some fish.
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