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post #51 of 103 (permalink) Old 06-01-2019, 04:17 AM Thread Starter
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I am sooooo annoyed!

I have had pond snails spontaneously manifest in Valentine's 22 litre tank.

Have been extremely careful not to move any plants, furniture or even equipment from the pondsnail tanks (the 200and 57 litre tanks) into the non-pondsnail tanks (the 22litre and the 70 litre).

Yet here they are. Tiny and translucent at the moment, but marching confidently about. I can see 5 on the glass as I sit here typing. No bigger than a millimetre, any of them.

So poor little assassin snail has yet another tank to patrol. I am moving him from tank to tank at the moment, keeping on top of the other 2 tanks - although I think the kuhli loaches are dealing with the pondsnail babies in the 200litre.



Other than that, the tank, and Val, are doing OK. Haven't seen the shrimp in weeks, but the tank stays spotless and their food disappears, so they are in there somewhere.

So poor little assassin snail has yet another tank to patrol. I am moving him from tank to tank at the moment, keeping on top of the other 2 tanks - although I think the kuhli loaches are dealing with the pondsnail babies in the 200litre.
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70litre tank: (Kham) mature setup; betta, purple rasboras, amano and wood shrimp. Heavily planted.
22litre cube tank: (Tagawa); betta, 1 amano, yellow dwarf shrimp. Pond snails and 1 assassin. Heavily planted.
57litre cube tank: ember tetras, 2 amano, 1 nerite, pond snails, 1 assassin, doing his thing. Heavily planted.
200litre tank; honey gourami, cherry barbs, green neons, otocinclus, nerites, pond snails, amano. Heavily planted.
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Sadly, we have lost Valentine.

We went away for a week, came back yesterday. A kind friend had come in every other day to give pre-dispensed food quantities to each tank.
Everyone seemed fine when we got back late last night, except that Valentine was a bit sluggish in arriving for his food (usually he was like a piranha!). I put this down to the change in feeding routine.

So i got up bright and early to start the water changing and testing routine, with breakfast all round, only to find the little lad dead.
Black gills.
Ammonia, nitrates and nitrite all fine. PH at 7.6! It is usually 6.8
He had lost a bit of weight, but not skinny.

Close inspection reveals a horrific amount of food in a drift under the s.repens.

So as far as I can tell, my pre-dispensed food portions were exceeded, fell rotting to the bottom of the tank, and Valentine still lost weight. :(

The other three tanks are fine.

70litre tank: (Kham) mature setup; betta, purple rasboras, amano and wood shrimp. Heavily planted.
22litre cube tank: (Tagawa); betta, 1 amano, yellow dwarf shrimp. Pond snails and 1 assassin. Heavily planted.
57litre cube tank: ember tetras, 2 amano, 1 nerite, pond snails, 1 assassin, doing his thing. Heavily planted.
200litre tank; honey gourami, cherry barbs, green neons, otocinclus, nerites, pond snails, amano. Heavily planted.
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Oh! Blue I'm so very sorry to hear about Val. He was such a beautiful boy. I know how hard it is to loose a bright spot in our lives.
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Thanks. I must say I am rather down about it.
Keep wondering whether a water change last night might have saved him?
Pointless speculation, but of course. I didn’t even realise he was ill last night.

I have done a 90% water change and vacuumed all the excess food out.

Tomorrow, I will test the water again, do another water change, and them move Tagawa out of the 200litre and into the 22litre, where he can reign in peace. He isn’t enjoying the biggest tank, even though he is putting on weight in there!

Val’s death has just reinforced my dislike of small tanks. This wouldn’t have happened in a mere 7 days in a bigger tank. Ideally need to save this 22litre for hospital tank, and replace it on my desk with one twice the size - for my own peace of mind.

And I am not looking forward to having to ask my fish feeding friend what happened. So kind of her to feed them. So sad it went wrong. Going to have to look into automatic feeders for next time.

One positive outcome though! The shrimp have emerged. I put them in a couple of months ago, and haven’t seen them since, though I knew they were still around, because the tank got as clean as a new pin. The 90% water change had them out and exploring, so they seem well. Maybe Val was terrorising them. He certainly used to boss me around!

70litre tank: (Kham) mature setup; betta, purple rasboras, amano and wood shrimp. Heavily planted.
22litre cube tank: (Tagawa); betta, 1 amano, yellow dwarf shrimp. Pond snails and 1 assassin. Heavily planted.
57litre cube tank: ember tetras, 2 amano, 1 nerite, pond snails, 1 assassin, doing his thing. Heavily planted.
200litre tank; honey gourami, cherry barbs, green neons, otocinclus, nerites, pond snails, amano. Heavily planted.

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I'm sorry to hear about your loss. From your pictures, Valentine was amazing, clever and beautiful.
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22 L is around 6 US gallon. I have never had any problems with my 5.5 gallon tanks. ( well except for algae) but they aren't hard to care for. And they are a good size for a single betta. Really it depends on the attitude of the fish. I know when I tried Harry in a 10 gallon, he went absolutely Bonkers. Did not like it at all. It really stressed him out. I put him back in his 5.5 gal. and he settled right down and started to eat and patrol his tank again. When he was in the 10 gallon he went to the side of the heater and that is where he stayed for over a week. He wouldn't eat. So back into the 5.5.

You know I always recommend to any one that asks about tank size I prefer to start with a 5.5 with filter, and heater, and lots of plants.

I know you really take care of your boys and the community in that gorgeous 55 Gal. (or should I say the 200 L.) There are to many what if's to run through your head. Like What If I never went away. What If What If What If. Don't do this to your self Blue. We get past it and move on I'm sure Val didn't blame you for him getting sick. He gave you a lot of love for his little body. and returned the love and care you gave him. Believe me When Ben died I did the exact same thing your doing now. A month later I couldn't stand not having some little guy to care for. In came Little Bee, Not to take Ben's place, but to fill a void in my heart.
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it is interesting to watch my 4 (now 3) bettas in the different sized tanks. Tagawa has been in the 70 litre and the 200litre, and was happiest in the 70 - until I added a shoal of purple rasboras. They were too active for him and he took to the plant cover to avoid them. He is now doing exactly the same in the 200. So, for him, it seems less about tank size and more about peaceful tank mates. He also had problems with one cherry barb, but was fine with the other cherries and the black neons. i expect he would be very happy with ember tetras too, but anything zippier is too intimidating. In the 200 litre he is using maybe 1/4 of it, in 2 v heavily planted zones. He avoids the open spaces completely. i will move him into the 22 litre tomorrow, and see how his behaviour changes.

Kham on the other hand LOVES the 70litre. He had a small meltdown the day I moved him from the 57 to 70litres (possibly due to the hyperactive rasboras!). He bit off half his tail overnight, which was a shock for everyone! But then he calmed down, came out of hiding, and his tail is on the mend. He swims everywhere in a cool street cred kind of way, owning the entire tank, competes with the rasboras at dinner time, and ignores them the rest of the time.

No Name (Clint for short) is very happy indeed in the 57litre cube. He rules, he patrols, he ignores the ember tetras. All my tanks are heavily planted, so the plants are a constant. good shelter. good surface cover. Limited lines of site.

I'm moving towards seeing a 40-60 litre tank as being my personal ideal for bettas. I think that is around 10-15 US gallons? Obviously, other people feel differently, for their own perfectly valid reasons. But as far as I can see, plants, cover and peaceful tankmates are key to their comfort, and my comfort improves when I see them in a bigger tank too... They can stay in a small corner, if they like, but so far no one has wanted to.

70litre tank: (Kham) mature setup; betta, purple rasboras, amano and wood shrimp. Heavily planted.
22litre cube tank: (Tagawa); betta, 1 amano, yellow dwarf shrimp. Pond snails and 1 assassin. Heavily planted.
57litre cube tank: ember tetras, 2 amano, 1 nerite, pond snails, 1 assassin, doing his thing. Heavily planted.
200litre tank; honey gourami, cherry barbs, green neons, otocinclus, nerites, pond snails, amano. Heavily planted.

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Had to do some shopping today at Home Depot. I needed 1/4" x 1/4" molding to finish the new kitchen counters. I stopped by Petsmart to waste some time and found a beautiful 75 gal. But when I started to price everything out, Well I'll forget it for now. (or at least until I'm done with the house. They had a Top Fin 55 gal starter kit with filter, heater, tank, and glass canopy and LED low lighting. for $112.49 (88.2755 GBP.) I could manage that and the stand for $79.99 (62.7716 GBP) but I still have to wait until after I get the house done. Which should be before July 8th. I'm hoping to get the new shower in by then.

Anyway I'm also looking for a smaller community tank say around 37 gal (140.7 Liter) I need some place to put Gilford and a few others with in the next couple of months. LOL. My wife will go bonkers but Oh well. Hay she got a new house and a lot of improvements. Only fair I get some new tanks.
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Haha!
I think you have done amazingly well to manage with only small tanks for the last few months.
Must have had severe withdrawal symptoms!

More shenanigans in Val(RIP)'s tank.
I woke up to find the HOB filter making some really scrapy odd noises, so dismantled it and rinsed the media and sponge, and Lo and Behold! A shrimp was in the first chamber. Not that I suspect him of making the scrapy noises. A rather skinny small shrimp. So I don't think it is the same one that I kept seeing over the last two days, which is fatter looking and more prosperous.

No idea how long the twitty creature has been in there - or how she was surviving.

I managed to get her out, and she is now back in the tank and 'disappeared' again. I think she also had a scrape on the top of its back, and there was a leg stuck to the filter media. And her antennae are snapped.
No idea whether she had just been in there a day, or a month, but she will be much happier back in the tank.

Yesterday I was still seeing pH of 7.6 despite that 90% water change - which worried me.
So I did another 80% change
and then this morning I did a 50% change and brought in the fresh water from the 200litre that Tagawa is currently in. If the pH has dropped to 7 or below, I will do just one more change, for my own reassurance, and then bring T across into this 22litres. He won't need much acclimation, will he? Since most of the water will be from his current tank :)

70litre tank: (Kham) mature setup; betta, purple rasboras, amano and wood shrimp. Heavily planted.
22litre cube tank: (Tagawa); betta, 1 amano, yellow dwarf shrimp. Pond snails and 1 assassin. Heavily planted.
57litre cube tank: ember tetras, 2 amano, 1 nerite, pond snails, 1 assassin, doing his thing. Heavily planted.
200litre tank; honey gourami, cherry barbs, green neons, otocinclus, nerites, pond snails, amano. Heavily planted.

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I can believe the shrimp survived in the filter, living off the gunk being brought in. Must have gone up the intake on a wild ride.
Any idea whats causing the high PH? I know when I test mine in Little Bee's tank it has always been between 6.4 and 6.8. With the low PH I think it has to do with all the plants. And even with the weekly water changes it never goes above 6.8. In Gunny's tank The PH remains at 7.0 and it has been that way since I set it up almost 5 years now. In the new tank with Gilford Guppy the PH is around 6.8 to 7.0 and with his water changes I do add PH 7.0 boost. I don't know why my PH fluctuates in two tanks and not the third.

I'm going stir crazy without a bigger tank. But than again I have 5 separate rooms in the basement that are heated so I can always move down there. Ginger won't be able to find me there and I can live like a hermit. LOL. I'll only come up for food. I can see it now her calling down the steps saying I made you something to eat come and get it. I'll climb the steps take it out of her hands and retreat back to my lair. LOL
I know it will take some doing and like I said I have to wait until I get the house done, and things put away. I hope to give myself a great Christmas gift with a new 75 gal. That would be nice.
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