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post #61 of 89 (permalink) Old 06-24-2019, 04:40 AM Thread Starter
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Wow! 5 basement rooms... that is aquarium heaven.
Provided you can get the tanks down into it.
I'm seeing a comfortable (swivel) arm chair in the centre of each room, and a different aquarium on each wall...

The high pH in the 22 litre is doing my head in.
The food detritus was vacuumed out on Sunday.
All other water parameters are perfect.
and todays 50% WC has made no difference whatsoever.

So Tagawa's move is postponed again.

I have checked the tap water (again) and it is coming down the pipe at 7.
All my other tanks are sitting happily at 6.6/6.8, presumably on account of the plants and indian almond leaves.

What is also bothering me is that the Seachem pH alert is showing 6.8, but the API test tube test is showing the 7.6.

I'm trusting the API and intend to throw out the Seachem in tank thing suction alert.
Comparison tests between the 4 tanks and the tap water, and the 22litre show that something is definitely going wrong with the 22litre, while the others are consistently at 6.8.

I may have to pull the root out, which will mess up the whole arrangement. But it would eliminate one variable.
But roots are easy to replace.

The only thing that has prevented me from doing the root upheaval already, is my invalid shrimp, and the fact that I know pH is measured in the order of 10x. So a 6 is 10x more acid than a 7, and a 7 is 10x more acid than an 8.

So it may take several more water changes to sort.

70litre tank: (Kham) mature setup; betta, purple rasboras, amano and wood shrimp. Heavily planted.
22litre cube tank: (Tagawa); betta, 2 amano, yellow dwarf shrimp. Heavily planted.
57litre cube tank: (No Name); betta, ember tetras, 2 amano, 1 nerite, 1 assassin, doing his thing. Heavily planted.
200litre tank; honey gourami, cherry barbs, green neons, kuhli loaches, otocinclus, nerites, pond snails, amano. Heavily planted.
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I have used the API kit for years and never thought I had any problem with PH. After getting the SeaChem alerts I tested against them. I have also tried the SeaChem test kit for PH and both the alert and the test strip from SeaChem are the same. MY API PH test today showed 7.6 when the Seachem alert showed 6.8 to 7. NOW which is right. I would say the Seachem.

I'm sending a note to API customer service and asking to clarify the difference. However The boys don't seem to mind the PH. and Gilford Guppy is alive and kicking. so I still trust the SeaChem.

And yes 5 rooms to the basement and 10 rooms plus two bathrooms in two floors. We are having so much fun getting this house done. ( I mean that in a sarcastic way. ) But we have made great head way every day. Today it was curtains and finishing the kitchen counters. I finished the first guest room last night so at least my little sister and her boyfriend will have a place to stay when they come over the 4th of July holiday. The cats are starting to settle in now that they can find their furniture, and food dishes. We only have one major hurdle left and thats the first floor bathroom. We are putting in a new shower. and what a nice size we got. 60" X 34" enough for the two of us at one time. Now that's one way to save water. LOL
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yay! pH is back where I want it - which is 7, with catappa (indian almond) leaves already in there to bring it down a little more.

I ordered some amano shrimp online this morning, to go into the 200litre, and on a whim ordered a few yellow dwarf shrimp which can to into this little 22litre. with Tagawa. he won't bother them. he wouldn't say boo to a goose. and the thought of Tagawa's magnificent red and teal/blue with yellow shrimp pleases me no end.

the shrimp should arrive tomorrow and can have a day to settle in, while I continue to monitor the pH. Then Tagawa will join them in his own bijoux residence.

The tank is on my desk, so I spend plenty of time with it. Have noticed that I am deliberately not looking at it at the moment - missing Valentine a great deal. So the sooner it has new occupants, the better.

70litre tank: (Kham) mature setup; betta, purple rasboras, amano and wood shrimp. Heavily planted.
22litre cube tank: (Tagawa); betta, 2 amano, yellow dwarf shrimp. Heavily planted.
57litre cube tank: (No Name); betta, ember tetras, 2 amano, 1 nerite, 1 assassin, doing his thing. Heavily planted.
200litre tank; honey gourami, cherry barbs, green neons, kuhli loaches, otocinclus, nerites, pond snails, amano. Heavily planted.
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I'm glad to see all is coming together. I know how tough it is with missing Ben. When I laid out the office I made sure the tanks are on the far side of the door to the kitchen and dining room. When I get more set up I'm putting in shelving units that will hold the weight. That way everyone will be in the same place come feeding and water changes. The larger tanks I intend to get will be in the basement lair. I Think I will hold off on them until cold weather sets in. We have heat runs in each room of the basement but I don't know how much heat they will produce. No sense in setting up tanks down there if the heat isn't enough.

I spend a lot of time fiddling with Little Bee's tank and Gunny's tanks I can roll over to them and just sit and watch them. I guess I should pay a little attention to Gilford Guppy, however he just swims mindlessly around the tank and hides in the plants. He is a cute little guy and I have looked into getting him some friends but he's going to have to wait until the new baby comes. Hope it's soon. Ma Betta says they are getting big but still haven't colored up yet. and It would be really hard to sex them until you can see what you need to see to tell. So Gilford Guppy is being a big help in the cycling of the tank and soon he will have friends and a much bigger tank to swim in.
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So sorry about Valentine. I know how well you take care of your charges.

Just for future, there's really no need to feed fish if you are going to be gone fewer than 14 days. I've done this many times with a variety of Betta, community and ADF tanks with no issues.
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I didn't know that. We have a couple of days coming up in Aug. and Sep. that I was looking for some one to take care of the fish and the cats. The cats I can put extra food and water down for but worried about Little Bee, Gunny and Gilford. We would only be gone at the most 5 days in Sep. and 2 days in Aug. It's a real good thin to know.
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Thanks @RussellTheShihTzu
It was mainly the ember tetras and the green neons that I was twitchy about leaving for a week without food.
The irony is that Val was always a bit... er... chunky... and could probably have run on his hump for a month!
Will just bite the bullet and not feed them next time.

Interestingly, the pH was back up this morning.
Very frustrating.
I took the resin root out and did a water change.
Still high.

Getting farcical now.
Will monitor v carefully (twice a day) til I have this sorted.

The shrimp have arrived - and v cute they are too!
Careful research last night has confirmed that dwarf shrimp are very tolerant of a wide pH, so I was happy popping them in. They are tiny! Lemon yellow and only half an inch long. But they seem v happy already. Chomping enthusiastically.
The amano have disappeared into the 200litre. Wonder when/if i will see them again. They are perfect invisible little butlers.

Oh, and judging by the enthusiastic romance going on in the 200litre, Big Red (cherry barb) is about to become a Dad again (and me a Grandma!!!). At this rate, I shall be rehoming some cherry barbs soon.
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70litre tank: (Kham) mature setup; betta, purple rasboras, amano and wood shrimp. Heavily planted.
22litre cube tank: (Tagawa); betta, 2 amano, yellow dwarf shrimp. Heavily planted.
57litre cube tank: (No Name); betta, ember tetras, 2 amano, 1 nerite, 1 assassin, doing his thing. Heavily planted.
200litre tank; honey gourami, cherry barbs, green neons, kuhli loaches, otocinclus, nerites, pond snails, amano. Heavily planted.

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OK, so I may be onto something with this dratted high pH.

Have been reading and reading.
Have done repeated water changes, removed the resin root decoration, wracked my brains... Removing the root has made no difference whatsoever, so it can go back.

Every water change causes a lovely drop in pH, but within 24 hours, it is back up to 7.4-7.6

Then last night I came across an excellent article on how to naturally raise or adjust the pH of your tank.
All the usual suspects were mentioned, from catappa (IAL leaves), driftwood, peat in the filter, removing the root cause of the problem, etc. etc.
And then a short little section about adjusting the oxygenation of the water.

Apparently, high aeration will push the pH up a bit, and low aeration will increase the acidity - which must be one of the reasons why slow moving waters are often more acidic than fast moving ones.

And the penny dropped! Just before we went away for our week's hol, I turned the flow up on Valentine's outsize HOB filter, because I knew he wouldn't be getting the usual frequent water changes, and I wanted to increase the filtration.

Now this is an outsize filter anyway (suitable for a 70+ litre tank, in a 22litre tank) and I switched it up to max.
That is a heck of a lot of aeration.
Anyway, I didn't turn it back down when I got home, on account of Val's death and me wanting to keep the filtration high.

But I have now turned it right down and will keep checking the pH to see what happens.

To be honest, I am now thinking that IF it was the extra aeration pushing the pH up, then it wasn't likely to be a contributing factor in Val's death. That was probably the excess food. Either him eating too much, or the water turning briefly toxic.

In other news, the yellow dwarf shrimp are a DELIGHT. They are happy, busy, and soooo cute. I cannot believe I have not had them before. There are 10 of them in the 22 litre (enough to maybe breed in future) and there is usually around 5 or 6 in sight at any time. Busy, busy, busy. They have even brought the amano out of hiding, and he is now part of the group. The second amano is still playing hard to get, but we shall see if that changes in time.

70litre tank: (Kham) mature setup; betta, purple rasboras, amano and wood shrimp. Heavily planted.
22litre cube tank: (Tagawa); betta, 2 amano, yellow dwarf shrimp. Heavily planted.
57litre cube tank: (No Name); betta, ember tetras, 2 amano, 1 nerite, 1 assassin, doing his thing. Heavily planted.
200litre tank; honey gourami, cherry barbs, green neons, kuhli loaches, otocinclus, nerites, pond snails, amano. Heavily planted.

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Oh, and I have spoken to my fish feeding friend, and the over feeding has been explained.

I have 4 tanks. The other 3, I dispensed the perfect amount for 1 meal into a little glass ramekin dish, and left 4 dishes beside each tank. then when she came to feed the fish, all she needed to do was empty a ramekin dish into the tank.

For Valentine's tank, I left his New Life Spectrum food in front of the tank on my desk, and said 'Just give him 4 pellets'. Just 4.

Only what she did was ignore the New Life food and instead reached around the side of the tank to find the King Shrimp food, and gave him 4 of the 1 cm long King Shrimp pellets each time she visited. That is 16 cm of food over the week.

That's enough to give any betta terminal indigestion, isn't it?

70litre tank: (Kham) mature setup; betta, purple rasboras, amano and wood shrimp. Heavily planted.
22litre cube tank: (Tagawa); betta, 2 amano, yellow dwarf shrimp. Heavily planted.
57litre cube tank: (No Name); betta, ember tetras, 2 amano, 1 nerite, 1 assassin, doing his thing. Heavily planted.
200litre tank; honey gourami, cherry barbs, green neons, kuhli loaches, otocinclus, nerites, pond snails, amano. Heavily planted.

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I'm glad to hear you have found the PH problem. Aeration does funny things to water. However it would be the very last thing I would have checked also. How is the PH now that you turned it down? You know you have about talked me into putting shrimp back into my tanks. I think I might try them in the new setup with Gilford Guppy. The tank has cycled and I'll wait a couple of more weeks to make sure they have enough to eat. And I'll leave them in when the new baby comes. I would say he would leave them alone but one never knows. I should like to try them in with Little Bee also. He seems quite the pacifist.

I would think by the sounds of it Val ate himself to death. I know when Ben was alive I really had to watch how much I was putting in. Ben was a very big pig and would eat every thing in a few min. Now I did feed him 4 times a day but each feeding was only a few flakes at a time. Little Bee is fed 3 times a day and seems happy with what I give him. He is growing. He was smaller than any other betta I had purchased but very active. He is now almost twice the length or about the same size as Gunny. Every time I sit and watch his tank he is swimming happily in and out of the plants patrolling his tank. When he sees me watching he will come to the front or side I happen to be on and stop what he is doing and flair. (as if to say Hi boss i'm working very hard.)
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