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I read on another forum that a member put his pelleted food in a pepper grinder and adjusted output size depending on fish being fed.

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Thats an interesting idea-I'm hoping soon she'll look more mature, I've had her for more than a month now which would put her at 3-4 months old, is that normal? Altho I did notice she no longer can fit behind the thermometer the little fatty.

I am afraid I've spoiled her a bit, feeding her bloodworms for the past few weeks-tried to feed her flakes today, she did not approve. The bloating has lessened, but it is still there. Her color is still pale and stress stripes strongly visible (where there weren't any last week). I'm starting to think that it was not the bloodworms necessarily that caused the sudden bloating and SBD, as I had been feeding her bloodworms for a good week or so before noticing any symptoms. The day I noticed her issues with swimming were when I first put a branch of hornwort in her tank-the bamboo and amazon sword have been great, but as soon as I put the hornwort in (and more the following day) was around the same time I was noticing her symptoms. I originally took the hornwort out of her tank because I noticed her eating (and choking) on it when I first got her. What if she has been eating it and that is what has been causing her gastronomical problems? It has to be food/stomach related, as water is perfect, temperature is perfect, and she is still active, alert, just struggling at times with SBD-plus can tell she seems uncomfortable at times. Anyways the hornwort got the boot-for now at least-I regret buying the bunch in the first place as its multiplied (with the help of Flourish) and now have to fit it all into the 2 gal I bought for my unexpected addition...

Howard Roark (Howie for short) is my new guppy...my mom found him unwanted in a classroom at the school she teaches at. School is out for summer now and that meant no one wanted to take the "class experiment" home-my mom thought he was a betta fish so "rescued him" for me. He's definitely not a betta, but was living in >liter of water in one of those betta starter containers they sell-the water was opaque with filth and completely green (see my other thread for pictures)-I am still shocked by how resilient the guy was, he looked completely fine once I put him in a new home. Got him a 2gal, and going to get a sponge filter for it...temperature is a nice stable 85+ and plenty of hornwort which I have now watched him eat with no problem. I really hope he survives, I mean, if he's survived this long in the tank he was in, surely with my dutiful care I can keep him alive. By winter he'll be in a proper 10gal with proper heater.

Nietzsche seems to like his new home. He's not the most expressive of fish, a slow moving-confident boy, a lil flaring...but I do hope his fins grow back! They looked raggedy for so long, and then when I moved him home I was so impressed to see how beautiful they looked. I think the socializing he gets in the kitchen does make up for the lack of plants I'm 'allowed' to have in his tank (my mom draws the line at bamboo, thinks hornwort looks like an "ugly weed" and the vertical shape of his new 1.5gal doesn't allow for a lot more variety)

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There is a cumulative effect with freeze dried...from what I've read and been told my long-time aquarists mentors. I would continue with the flakes. Since she has only been fed FD she is not "spoiled" but doesn't recognize flakes as food. This is more common than you'd ever believe when they are only fed one food. Offer the flakes or pellets and if she doesn't eat them remove with a turkey baster. She will not starve herself to death.

My Betta also nibble plants like Anacharis and Hornwort. I've often wondered if it's like dogs eating grass to counter digestive upset or to add needed fiber? Can find no correlation between plant eating in Betta and constipation, SBD, etc. It was most likely coincidental.

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Ty /: will keep trying with the flakes, I think she may have eaten some today. She looked so bloated today though (see photos) I wasnt sure if I should even be feeding her/:

Howie is looking well! Enjoying his new home + ate a few bloodworms today :)


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I have a difficult time telling egg bound females from bloating. You might post in another section and ask which it might be. I can alert indjo (who is a long-time breeder). He is having some connection issues (he lives in Jakarta) so it might be a day or two.

Are her fins always clamped? Is she pooping?

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ty for all ur help!

her fins are very clamped. cant tell if shes pooping (black gravel). at what age do females start producing eggs? Ari is still a baby for the most part, her coloring hasnt really come in and she cant be more than 3 or so months old/: it wasnt something I considered. i finally decided to post in the betta emergency section, it seems to have gotten that serious
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Havent posted much but felt I should update if anyone cares to read this!

Ari’s bloat has gone but now she is kind of lifeless and still looks very sickly (clamped fins no color lethargy). I am attempting radical tank upkeep to fight it and even gave her back some hornwort today (no chance she could get tangled in it and drown right? she is very small still but shes a betta, they love/know plants?) I miss her liveliness and energy, always so fiesty and happy to come see me when I came in. I also read a disheartening thread on this forum about the “baby betta” fish u buy from ur pet store usually dont survive to adulthood because of how delicate the needs are compared to adult fish ect. ect. i just dont know /:

Howard Roark is doing great though!! Hes a very goofy looking boy so I’ve taken to referring to him as Howie. Im happy to see his scales look to be healthier (when I first got him his scales looked almost transparent). He eats the bloodworms very well, and is becoming less afraid and skittish. Just today he started swimming towards my hand when I was feeding him!! Its been a week but I’m really pleased, I was sure he being a guppy and living all alone he wouldnt survive, but he has and he seems content. Even swims over to see me. Although for some reason all the hornwort I put in his tank has died, even though I had kept healthy for 2 months...could it have been him eating it? Or I guess I could have over fertilized...very likely as the bottle doesnt have a reliable measuring tool outside of the cap and 1 cap = enough fertilizer for 20g ect. Regardless bought a whole new bunch today and split it, putting a small section in Ari’s tank, and the rest in Howie’s (heavily planted) so we’ll soon find out who the real culprit is.

? I also bought him a very cool toy I had been meaning to pick up...one of those colored hamster tunnel pieces. I read online of some girl making a really cool betta tunnel from some for her tank and i thought that was a really unique and cost effective way (only cost me 2$) to provide a little hide, vs. some sharp looking house or castle ect. Im not sure if Howie will swim through it though, I figure bettas are more that type of fish but we’ll see! Here are lots of pictures of Howie (more clear than the last, though make no mistake, hes still a fast bugger) and last is the hamster tunnel I bought-I hope it stimulates his mind a bit too.
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Glad things seem to be doing better for you. Finger's crossed Ari makes it. Was pleased to see your post in D&E. Perhaps if you can get her to eat frozen food of some sort or soak the freeze dried in a vitamin like SeaChem Vitality it will help.

Was researching another thread and went to the Tetra site. They say freeze dried Bloodworms should be fed only as a supplement to a main diet. I had no idea.

When I have time I am going back to see if that's what they say about all of their freeze dried products.

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When I originally bought them the package said freeze dried bloodworms are excellent for "conditioning"-which seeing as Ari is just a baby I figured it would be good "conditioning" food for her to grow. That being said, I'm starting to reconsider if it really is the bloodworms that caused all these problems, as I've still been feeding them to her + flakes (not that she really ate yesterday) and the bloating is gone. Now she is so small and depleted looking. Found her lying (on her side) today which scared me, breathing heavily-water parameters all seemed normal but I put her in a new QT because I was worried she couldn't make it to the top of the tank (she can barely swim, doesn't seem to have the energy/float power) so am keeping her in about four inches of water so she can breath...I'm worried this is the beginning of the end. Could it have been possible the bloating was the result of some egg problem which has now sickened her? She will be watched all night, not sure if she will eat though, I wish I could take her to work with me tomorrow to keep a better eye on her. I really want her to make it-unlike with my other bettas; Karl and Rousseau, I knew how to care for her properly from the start, and put a lot of thought and research into it; she is such a sweet girl, she doesn't deserve to suffer like this.

Howie cheers me up though, he is just the cutest thing...if Ari does survive, can a male guppie and female betta survive together in a planted 10g (the one I have saved for the fall)? Not that I was seriously considering it, especially with Ari so sickly, just something to think about. I know the 2g is too small for another guppie, even if I was considering giving Howie a friend (and I'm not)-he really is doing super.
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I am so glad Howie is doing well. And, yes, male Guppies can live with either male or female Betta. It is a much touted myth that male Betta will see them as another Betta and attack. I've had them together for years and the ones that didn't get along with male Guppies also didn't get along with anything else.

In the 10, you could have 3-5 male Guppies in addition to a Betta. It could also have some dwarf Cory for the bottom or a Mystery Snail. They are so pretty with their various colors.

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Have you tried frozen for Ari? I feed any ailing fish frozen or live.

Babies are so fragile. I asked two friends who breed Betta for their thoughts. It is not unusual in baby Betta to weaken and not recover. Both also mentioned that freeze dried is not good for them as a steady diet; not enough nutrients. They require live and frozen to do their best. One friend, who no longer breeds, believes two things are why PetCo and PetSmart babies have such a high mortality rate: Improper nutrition and not enough water changes.

Best of luck with Ari; I know what it is like to watch them weaken. But another Moderator, Veloran, says: "As long as the fish is fighting then so will I." That's my theory, too. Then I know I did my best for them.

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