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post #101 of 389 (permalink) Old 11-04-2015, 08:26 AM
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Please remember that fish in non-flare and non-profile views cannot be properly critiqued (goes for judges and showers) and I don't believe that they should actually be critiqued since the opinion of the judge can change drastically depending on the fish! It's not fair to the fish! lol. For example, Sunset, I don't mean to pick on you but, you did mention that Angel's body seemed broad, not symmetrical (which a Betta isn't supposed to be Symmetrical) and spoonheaded. In that photo, he's actually coming towards us and that makes his body appear shorter but he really isn't. He's actually a nice sloping topline, peduncle is healthy and strong, there is no kink in his body that I see (are you looking at the swim bladder?) and for his coloration, his ends are just cellophane, not ratty ^_^ But I digress.

I can critique Misha though, he has a wonderful picture (other than his head being skewed by the cup lol, the fins are more important anyhow)

Beautiful Asymmetrical HMPK:
  • Good body proportions (Not overly long and not stubby like DT's tend to be. Good body thickness)
  • Beautiful sloping topline (though, pic is wonky due to cup, I recognize)
  • Dorsal is wonderfully broad; it reaches to the caudal. The first ray is stubby though and should be as tall as the second ray.
  • Caudal has a beautiful spade shape, great for an Asymmetrical HMPK!
  • Anal fin can be pointier as Susie pointed out, but a wonderful length for an Asymmetrical HMPK
  • Ventrals are hard to judge, definitely split which is a no-no. Hard to say if they line up with the "point" on his anal fin though, they look longer--possibly due to the cup.
  • Color is great, he's a marble so it's always bound to change of course. In that photo he would have been called a Bicolor Monster.

Wilds: Wajok, Rutilans, Siamentorialis, Hendra
Leopards: Luna, Astrael, Dorian, Cullen, Gallifrey
Gargoyle: Cloudjumper
African Fat Tails: Nox and Lux
Bearded Dragon: Stormfly
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Thanks lilnaugrim, I don't mind being picked on because I'm no expert on this. Any help is appreciated.

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Oh good! I'm always worried I'm going to offend someone lol. Thanks for being receptive!

Wilds: Wajok, Rutilans, Siamentorialis, Hendra
Leopards: Luna, Astrael, Dorian, Cullen, Gallifrey
Gargoyle: Cloudjumper
African Fat Tails: Nox and Lux
Bearded Dragon: Stormfly
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Curious to hear your thoughts on Panda, a female I am looking to breed. She was listed as a black and white koi HMPK. After having her for five months, she has grown into her fins nicely.

The notch in her dorsal was from getting bitten by another female. Her ventrals are pretty obviously split, but I think that can be corrected over time.










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Holy cow Feng! What a girl! If I couldn't see her ovaries I would certainly say she was a he lol.

She's not flaring but she's fully spread out, I forgot to say that these pictures can be included on critiquing. You just don't want to critique a non-profile and non-fin stretched out or flaring picture.

Her fins are actually too big according to the IBC. HMPK females should have very similar to fins to male HMPK's.
  • Dorsal is nice and big but that notch and the fact that it steps up and rays sticking out, those are all big faults for the dorsal. It does meet the caudal which is important for females since it doesn't always happen.
  • Caudal, beautiful four ray girl except that the edges of the caudal at the anal and dorsal, they are rounded whereas they should make a nice shape D shape instead. So that's another fault. Good point is that she has four rays around, no random 5 ray branch as sometimes happens.
  • Anal is wonderful, slants very nicely for an Asymmetrical HMPK. It doesn't come to a point which is good for females.
  • Ventrals are split and actually too long! They're just slightly longer than her anal fin is, they have a good knife shape to them and it's a shame they're so split!
  • Her body is actually quite wonderful! Nice pointy shape like a female should have, nice slope to the top line. However, her peduncle (back of body where the tail meets) is slanted upwards and thus is called a weak peduncle.
  • Color is great! She's quite symmetrical in coloration for a Marble.

Overall, she does have some pretty big faults but I think she would actually make a wonderful show girl! Not a lot of females like to flare and have these kinds of fins and so these are usually the favorite of the shows

Wilds: Wajok, Rutilans, Siamentorialis, Hendra
Leopards: Luna, Astrael, Dorian, Cullen, Gallifrey
Gargoyle: Cloudjumper
African Fat Tails: Nox and Lux
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Thank you, Lil, much appreciated. That was exactly the sort of critique I was looking for!

I couldn't get a full flare shot, as she moves too fast when she is riled up. She is for sure a female as you could clearly see through her when the black spread was less. I think she might actually have been a fish from a HM spawn that the breeder had mislabelled or perhaps a HM x HMPK cross. The fins are pretty long when she is not displaying too.

I've kept a lot of my females jarred/isolated and I think it definitely makes them more willing to flare and display like a male would. Panda even flares at fingers and pens, not just a mirror or other fish. They're too feisty though. I had just turned my back one time and I guess Panda had jumped the divider and was having it out with the female next door. The notch seems to be permanent so far, much to my annoyance, but it is worse on the other girl... Looks like the entire top of the dorsal just got chopped off. >.>

I would like to breed her to a decent veiltail to get a black marble VT line started. The male I have isn't anything particularly special, but he a dark bodied yellow bicolour without irid ("chocolate" is the term, I think?). I would also like to have regular HMPK line, but didn't really know if she would be any good for that (I just lost recently what I thought was a very well formed HMPK female and so had to rework my plans).

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Ah yeah, she would make a great breeder I think!
And yeah, she looks more like a mix spawn of long and short fin. She does have the Caudal of an HMPK but it's much longer than usual.

Wilds: Wajok, Rutilans, Siamentorialis, Hendra
Leopards: Luna, Astrael, Dorian, Cullen, Gallifrey
Gargoyle: Cloudjumper
African Fat Tails: Nox and Lux
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omg, those pictures are huge lol. Can you resize them so they're a little more manageable? Photobucket will do it automatically or you can google for a site to resize them for free, there are plenty out there.

Remember! We need FLARING pictures in order to critique, we cannot properly critique just any random photo!

Wilds: Wajok, Rutilans, Siamentorialis, Hendra
Leopards: Luna, Astrael, Dorian, Cullen, Gallifrey
Gargoyle: Cloudjumper
African Fat Tails: Nox and Lux
Bearded Dragon: Stormfly
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How about this one? He's still a bit shy... Every time I'm around he dances and flares. He gets real spooked by the camera though - mirrors and all. :/


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After almost a hundred shots with the digicam later... xP

@lilnaugrim Now I know what you mean when you say only 1 or 2 in a few hundred shots ever turn out nice. And interesting. I wasn't aware he had that hole in his fin up until I took the photos! :o


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