Learn How To Critique Your Betta's Form and Finnage Here - Page 2 - Betta Fish and Betta Fish Care
Like Tree9Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 387 (permalink) Old 08-05-2015, 07:02 AM Thread Starter
New Member
 
Overprotective Fish Lover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Prince Edward Island, Canada
Posts: 699
Thanks so much hrutan with the ray example! I actually think I get it now! That's a breakthrough for me...I've always been baffled by rays because I've been counting how many rays there are instead of how many times each ray splits. You've been so helpful!

Gabriel: HM EE RoseT Pastel Multicolour
Humphrey: White Trad. PK
The Neon Tetras: Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Mo, Spazzy, Piggy, Nippy, Rover, TT
My Journal:
Fishy Kisses - my journal
Overprotective Fish Lover is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 387 (permalink) Old 08-05-2015, 10:26 AM
Member
 
hrutan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 3,979
Quote:
Originally Posted by DangerousAngel View Post
OK, Sure I can start practicing spotting them. Probably online, I'm not sure about our pet stores. Will the Anal be a giveaway that she's a PK?

I will definitely give him another measure! That's SO exciting!!
Would I have to breed him with a Giant female? Would breeders include the measurements?
Yes, the anal will be your indication she is PK. If you look through the plakat section of Aquabid you may find giants. Expect to pay $40+ before shipping. They should provide measurement or don't buy. You can pair with a large PK female, but do not expect giants in the first generation. There are threads in the breeding section about this.

I exist to compile, assimilate, categorize, and disseminate information. The day I stop learning is the day I stop breathing.
Visit my Inaccurately Named Journal. And of course I have a Spawn Log. Golden State Bettas president, and proud IBC member!
hrutan is offline  
post #13 of 387 (permalink) Old 08-06-2015, 02:04 AM
Member
 
DangerousAngel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,023
Aquarium
Quote:
Originally Posted by hrutan View Post
Yes, the anal will be your indication she is PK. If you look through the plakat section of Aquabid you may find giants. Expect to pay $40+ before shipping. They should provide measurement or don't buy. You can pair with a large PK female, but do not expect giants in the first generation. There are threads in the breeding section about this.
I will for sure! I actually just measured him (with great difficulty) and saw that he is actually just under 2 inches. So could he be deemed a regular Plakat? Although his body is thicker than that of a normal Plakat.
I'll have to check out those breeding thread. All that stuff confuses me though. Also, what are rays?


My Current Boys: Ike, Ra, Ralphie
In Loving Memory Of: Dangerous (my baby), Chili, Oscar, Eclipse, Kip, Storm, Chloe, Snowy, Onyx, Speckles, Jasper, Oliver, Buttons, Stella, Xena, Zanzibar, Kai, Loki, Merlin, Jedi, Mullen Topaz, Ollie, Amethyst, Jericho, Igneel, Lil' Specks, Prince Onyx II, Caspian, Louie, Napoleon, Jinx, Jeremiah, Kronos, Nash,
Tadashi, Nova
DangerousAngel is offline  
 
post #14 of 387 (permalink) Old 08-06-2015, 06:56 PM
Member
 
hrutan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 3,979
See page #1 for a ray illustration. Rays are the strong "ribs" or "branches" that give the caudal its strength and shape.

A male just under 2 inches would be a regular Plakat. He may have giant genes, but keep in mind that regular plakats are expected to have a good, stout body.

Remember that male fish don't reach show size until 1.5 inches body only, so a little under 2 inches isn't out of line.

I exist to compile, assimilate, categorize, and disseminate information. The day I stop learning is the day I stop breathing.
Visit my Inaccurately Named Journal. And of course I have a Spawn Log. Golden State Bettas president, and proud IBC member!
hrutan is offline  
post #15 of 387 (permalink) Old 08-06-2015, 07:17 PM Thread Starter
New Member
 
Overprotective Fish Lover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Prince Edward Island, Canada
Posts: 699
Okay let's start with a new fish, this one off EBay. I encourage everyone to pitch in with critiquing this time; we can't learn if we don't try, right? So here he is:
image.jpg
The only thing I can think of with him is the fact that his anal is a little long. Would he be classified as a rosetail?...his rays seem to split a lot. Love this fish btw... :)

Gabriel: HM EE RoseT Pastel Multicolour
Humphrey: White Trad. PK
The Neon Tetras: Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Mo, Spazzy, Piggy, Nippy, Rover, TT
My Journal:
Fishy Kisses - my journal
Overprotective Fish Lover is offline  
post #16 of 387 (permalink) Old 08-06-2015, 07:34 PM
Member
 
hrutan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 3,979
I love him, love him, love him -- or rather, I love his form...

Please include the seller if you're going to use a picture. Credit should be given.

He has a clean, smooth topline, a forward tilting dorsal, and beautiful symmetry. His anal is a little long, but not much.

Now, I do see some potential issues. His dorsal has a bit of a "stairstep." It's not bad, but it isn't good either. Those front rays need to be a bit longer.

The edges of his caudal are rounded, not sharp. Ideally, you want the the caudal to form a sharp D. Even in an OHM, you want good sharp edges there.

I think he's a rose tail. That sure looks like rose petals to me. Roses are judged by the same standard as HM.

What I don't like? His color. He doesn't have a good, clean division of color, and I'd like to see the perfect division - red on the fins, but blue on the body. No red patches or blotches on the body, no blue streaks on the fins. Butterfly banding should be an even 50/50 for a single band, or 33/33/33 for a triband. His doesn't match that, either.

I exist to compile, assimilate, categorize, and disseminate information. The day I stop learning is the day I stop breathing.
Visit my Inaccurately Named Journal. And of course I have a Spawn Log. Golden State Bettas president, and proud IBC member!
hrutan is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to hrutan For This Useful Post:
torileeann11 (02-02-2016)
post #17 of 387 (permalink) Old 08-06-2015, 07:50 PM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Prince Edward Island, Canada
Posts: 389
That is sooooo interesting. Thanks hrutan! I feel like I'm learning a lot!
IslandGirl7408 is offline  
post #18 of 387 (permalink) Old 08-07-2015, 02:08 AM
Member
 
DangerousAngel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Texas
Posts: 3,023
Aquarium
Quote:
Originally Posted by hrutan View Post
See page #1 for a ray illustration. Rays are the strong "ribs" or "branches" that give the caudal its strength and shape.

A male just under 2 inches would be a regular Plakat. He may have giant genes, but keep in mind that regular plakats are expected to have a good, stout body.

Remember that male fish don't reach show size until 1.5 inches body only, so a little under 2 inches isn't out of line.
the illustration confused me a little. Good to know what they are though. I'm not to good at being able to see them though.

Compared to my other Plakat Kip, he has a stouter body, so it's definitely possible he has the beginnings of giant genes. In the picture, does he appear to look like a regular Plakat?

That's great to know!! I wonder if showing for him would still be out of the question..
I'll have to have you critique my newest boy when he gets here. He definitely might have potential!


My Current Boys: Ike, Ra, Ralphie
In Loving Memory Of: Dangerous (my baby), Chili, Oscar, Eclipse, Kip, Storm, Chloe, Snowy, Onyx, Speckles, Jasper, Oliver, Buttons, Stella, Xena, Zanzibar, Kai, Loki, Merlin, Jedi, Mullen Topaz, Ollie, Amethyst, Jericho, Igneel, Lil' Specks, Prince Onyx II, Caspian, Louie, Napoleon, Jinx, Jeremiah, Kronos, Nash,
Tadashi, Nova
DangerousAngel is offline  
post #19 of 387 (permalink) Old 08-07-2015, 09:44 AM
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 688
Maybe someone should post a photo of traditional plakat females. Because all of mine are EASILY distinguishable from veils girls. Short, straight anal fins with a slight point at the end. Anal fins on a veil girl will actually slant and form a point. Them and female plakats are easy to identify
sharkettelaw1 is offline  
post #20 of 387 (permalink) Old 08-07-2015, 01:11 PM
Member
 
Laurenie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: North Texas
Posts: 127
This is my blue and yellow bi-color marble HM male. Critique away!




How's this for muchness?
Laurenie is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Betta Fish and Betta Fish Care forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hmpk form critique MattsBettas Show Bettas 22 02-01-2014 11:35 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome