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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 01-12-2019, 04:46 PM Thread Starter
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Did anyone else use excel and get disastrous results?

Day one I dosed late in the day and I underdosed. First dose is a whole capful I filled the cap 3/4 full. Didn't really notice anything out of the ordinary and shut the lights off a couple hours later.

Day 2 my Betta glass surfed on and off but on day one I moved somethings around and added a sponge filter (in addition to my hob) I figured he was upset with change. My nerites also we're moving very slowly and occasionally just sitting which I have never seen them do in my 4/ ish years of owning them. They've always moved very fast and never stay still.

Day 3 I dosed excel again but underdosed. The dosage was supposed to be 1ml I did about 3/4 of a ml. Even before I dosed my Betta was constantly glass surfing at this point and I was like "wow he's really upset with change" my nerites we're moving very slowly still.

Day 4 (today) I came home and my Betta was still glass surfing and both nerites sat completely stationary for 2 hours (I sat near the tank and watched) and the one which had been on the glass the whole 2 hours seemed like he was having trouble clinging to the glass. So I started googling excel with nerites and it seems to be a toss up on whether it will kill tank inhabitants or not. Some said yes some said no.

I immediately did a 95% water change and my Betta is now swimmingly happily. The nerites moved since the water change but I haven't been able to find them. I think they just went to a new stationary spot. A few google results I saw said even after doing a big water change their nerites continued to decline over 2 weeks until death. One of my nerites seems much worse off than the other though so idk.

Has this happened to anyone else on here? I wasn't able to find that much info about it. It seems like there has to be something specific with your tank to make it react badly.


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Wish I could help. Hope the Nerites do better. You might remove them to their own tank for a few days until your next water change.

FWIW, when I used it to kill algae the Natalie would not eat, I dosed at .25 the normal dose every three days which may be why I did not see any change. Even at that dose certain of my Anubias and Crypts suffered after a week.

I think different people have differing experiences with Excel. I have friends who, after seeing their tanks, rightly swear by it.
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Wish I could help. Hope the Nerites do better. You might remove them to their own tank for a few days until your next water change.

FWIW, when I used it to kill algae the Natalie would not eat, I dosed at .25 the normal dose every three days which may be why I did not see any change. Even at that dose certain of my Anubias and Crypts suffered after a week.

I think different people have differing experiences with Excel. I have friends who, after seeing their tanks, rightly swear by it.


Well It's a ten gallon and I removed probably at least 8 gallons I'm not really good at percentages but guessed that would be a 95% water change. Do you think I should still put them in their own container for a few days and do another big water change? Since I posted this I was able to locate both snails one is on the underside of a piece of driftwood and one is on the underside of the coconut both slowly moving around on the underside of it. With their age I'm not sure they will recover. I didn't readd flourish comprehensive after the big water change I was kinda thinking it might be better for the tank to just chill for a few days but I have one plant that could really use it. My water wisteria is having trouble converting to submerged but one stalk started growing the submerged leaves and I accidentally broke that stalk in half today during the water change and it broke where there are no root sections attached to the new submerged leaves :/ I have it floating directly under my light hopefully it will sprout some roots.


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I think you should be okay. The Comprehensive should be fine to add but I agree that putting it off a day might be the better course.
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I think you should be okay. The Comprehensive should be fine to add but I agree that putting it off a day might be the better course.


Ok I'll definitely wait until tomorrow then. I don't think I'll be using excel again. Thank you! I used to add cuttlebone to my tank but I haven't in probably a year or 2 do you think in a few days I should add a cuttlebone again? I can't really remember why I used to add it I think just for general shell health and then idk why I stopped.


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Not had issues with Excel harming/irritating fish/inverts.
When I use to use it I slowly increased the dose starting at 1/10 normal dose, and going up over a few weeks time. I have had issues with plants and excel-mainly any vals and subwasertang-instant melt at any dose level. Also don't dose excel in marimo tanks. I've stopped using it. stick to more low tech setups now or ones with vals or marimo so can't use it.
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Not had issues with Excel harming/irritating fish/inverts.

When I use to use it I slowly increased the dose starting at 1/10 normal dose, and going up over a few weeks time. I have had issues with plants and excel-mainly any vals and subwasertang-instant melt at any dose level. Also don't dose excel in marimo tanks. I've stopped using it. stick to more low tech setups now or ones with vals or marimo so can't use it.


It didn't seem to do anything to my plants positive or negative and it definitely didn't do anything to any algae I have. But when I put flourish comprehensive in my tank there were positive plant differences within 4 hours. When I woke up both nerites were eating again and collecting algae off plants still moving slow but faster than yesterday. I don't think I'll be using excel again either.


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I use Excel and underdose it since the plants that I have can survive without Co2 injections but do better with it. It does seem to help my plants and they look better since I've been using it. I dose 1 drop per gallon a few times a week.

For the Staghorn algae that was infesting the plants in my 20 gal, I ended up dosing the tank with 3 ml of hydrogen peroxide per gal of water. The dose did seem to agitate my cory cats, but Cinnabar the betta seemed fine. Unfortunately I did squirt some way to close to my 2 nerites (I didn't see them until too late) and they did not survive. So if you are treating Hair, Blackbeard, or Staghorn algae, and opt for peroxide be careful where you squirt it.
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I use Excel and underdose it since the plants that I have can survive without Co2 injections but do better with it. It does seem to help my plants and they look better since I've been using it. I dose 1 drop per gallon a few times a week.

For the Staghorn algae that was infesting the plants in my 20 gal, I ended up dosing the tank with 3 ml of hydrogen peroxide per gal of water. The dose did seem to agitate my cory cats, but Cinnabar the betta seemed fine. Unfortunately I did squirt some way to close to my 2 nerites (I didn't see them until too late) and they did not survive. So if you are treating Hair, Blackbeard, or Staghorn algae, and opt for peroxide be careful where you squirt it.
Nowadays, when I add anything (fert, conditioner, anything) to the tank, I alway dilute it in at least a litre of water, and then dribble it into the filter output really slowly. I know it is paranoid, but its the only way I have peace of mind. Lol.

I lost a nerite a couple of weeks ago, 3 days after using prime the first time. Coincidence? Probably, but it went inactive the day I added the Prime. No further problems since.

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