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Betta Fin question and sticky substance in the tank

As a new fish keeper I experienced a painful learning curve. I got my betta (named Happy) as a gift in a bowl, and I upgraded his home to be a 10 gallon with some plants. I added some ghost shrimps and 5 Harlequin Rasboras 3 weeks ago. Shrimps were keep dying and it appeared to me that Happy was stressed to live with other creatures. 10 days ago I saw white spots on Happy and one of the rasboras, I immediately quarantined all fishes in a small tank for a 3-days ich treatment, but 5 rasboras end of all dead on day 3. The shrimp was quarantined in a separate bowl and now back to the main tank with Happy. Happy's fin has broken edges, what would be the best treatment? Yesterday when I took out the ornament for cleaning and felt a layer of sticky substance, is it algae? I don't notice any visible algae, what shall I do to prevent the algae break out? Thank you for everyone would give me advises. I attach a picture of my Happy.
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Happy is gorgeous!

Are the shrimp dying or shedding?
Very often, when put in a new environment they shed their carapace (looks like a ghost shell) and then spend a few days hiding while their new carapace toughens up enough to go exploring again. The empty shells can look like a dead ‘un.

As for the white spot, have a read up on raising the tank temperature to kill the disease. If you go this route there is no need for quarantine but pls do check that every inhabitant can cope with the raised temperature.

Hope that helps.

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As a new fish keeper I experienced a painful learning curve. I got my betta (named Happy) as a gift in a bowl, and I upgraded his home to be a 10 gallon with some plants. I added some ghost shrimps and 5 Harlequin Rasboras 3 weeks ago. Shrimps were keep dying and it appeared to me that Happy was stressed to live with other creatures. 10 days ago I saw white spots on Happy and one of the rasboras, I immediately quarantined all fishes in a small tank for a 3-days ich treatment, but 5 rasboras end of all dead on day 3. The shrimp was quarantined in a separate bowl and now back to the main tank with Happy. Happy's fin has broken edges, what would be the best treatment? Yesterday when I took out the ornament for cleaning and felt a layer of sticky substance, is it algae? I don't notice any visible algae, what shall I do to prevent the algae break out? Thank you for everyone would give me advises. I attach a picture of my Happy.
First, kudos to you for improving the lovely Happy's home!

How long has the tank been set up? Shrimp and smaller fish are notorious for dying in new tanks. This is because two of the three important parameters (Ammonia and Nitrites) can kill them even in small amounts. The same amounts won't faze a Betta. The third important parameter is Nitrates.

Is you tank filtered? Heated? How often do you do water changes and how much do you change? In a 10 gallon I would suggest a 25% water change once or twice a week with a thorough vacuum of the substrate.

Is the slimy stuff on a new ornament or driftwood? Some ornaments, especially wood, can get a slimy fungus that resembles snot. This will usually go away on its own.

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Happy is gorgeous!

Are the shrimp dying or shedding?
Very often, when put in a new environment they shed their carapace (looks like a ghost shell) and then spend a few days hiding while their new carapace toughens up enough to go exploring again. The empty shells can look like a dead ‘un.

As for the white spot, have a read up on raising the tank temperature to kill the disease. If you go this route there is no need for quarantine but pls do check that every inhabitant can cope with the raised temperature.

Hope that helps.
Thank you! Happy is so lovely isn't he? Shrimps were dead for sure, I found bodies and there is only one left now.

If the ich hit again, I won't repeat the same mistake. I indeed rose the temperate to 82, Happy is no longer showing any sytmpton but the anacharis were melted. I was a little frustrated lately and felt so guilty for doing everything wrong. It had never crossed my mind fish keeping is such a tough job! Luckily Happy went through all and is happy and healthy now.
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First, kudos to you for improving the lovely Happy's home!

How long has the tank been set up? Shrimp and smaller fish are notorious for dying in new tanks. This is because two of the three important parameters (Ammonia and Nitrites) can kill them even in small amounts. The same amounts won't faze a Betta. The third important parameter is Nitrates.

Is you tank filtered? Heated? How often do you do water changes and how much do you change? In a 10 gallon I would suggest a 25% water change once or twice a week with a thorough vacuum of the substrate.

Is the slimy stuff on a new ornament or driftwood? Some ornaments, especially wood, can get a slimy fungus that resembles snot. This will usually go away on its own.
Thank you for the reply. My tank is fully cycled, ammonia and nitrites are both 0, and I have nitrate about 5-10. Tank has a heater and an internal filter, temp sets to 79-80 and the water is crystal clear. I do 25% water change every week, and vacuum a little bit, that's why the slimy substance confuses me. I have been reading all kinds of articles about fish keeping, and I am not sure if that's algae. The ornament is a Top fin brand bridge, I think it's plastic. Will keep doing maintenance and hope it will go away.
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The homeopathic Ich treatment is raising the temperature to 86 for two or three weeks. It will kill all stages of Ich.

Most likely the slimy stuff is a fungus and not algae. You can remove the ornament, bring some plain water to a boil, turn it off and plop in the ornament. Let set for a minute or two, remove, scrub and rinse. If it still has slimy stuff put back in the pot and repeat.

Almost forgot: Anacharis is a cool water plant. It does best in temperatures around 78. It took me years to figure out my plants do best at that temperature.

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The homeopathic Ich treatment is raising the temperature to 86 for two or three weeks. It will kill all stages of Ich.

Most likely the slimy stuff is a fungus and not algae. You can remove the ornament, bring some plain water to a boil, turn it off and plop in the ornament. Let set for a minute or two, remove, scrub and rinse. If it still has slimy stuff put back in the pot and repeat.

Almost forgot: Anacharis is a cool water plant. It does best in temperatures around 78. It took me years to figure out my plants do best at that temperature.
Fungus, thanks for the tip. Will do my researching and leaning.

What would you recommend for the plant to replace the anacharis? I read hornwort is a cool water plant, advise?
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Yes, Hornwort likes cooler water.

A person who keeps tanks at higher temperatures would be able to better advise. I keep everything at 77-78 and can grow both Hornwort and Anacharis. Did you plant or let float? Hornwort does not have a viable root system so needs to be floated or weighted down. I weight my stem plants where I want them and let them self-root.

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Yes, Hornwort likes cooler water.

A person who keeps tanks at higher temperatures would be able to better advise. I keep everything at 77-78 and can grow both Hornwort and Anacharis. Did you plant or let float? Hornwort does not have a viable root system so needs to be floated or weighted down. I weight my stem plants where I want them and let them self-root.
I chopped off the new branches of the anacharis and planted in the tank, lower the temperature to 78 for couple of days. My betta seems fine with the temperature, and hope the anacharis will grow back.
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