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I found out the hard way they only like their undersides and roots wet.

Yes, bunch and stem plants are the same. I wasn't quite sure how to describe stem plants and "stemmy" came to mind even though my spell check doesn't recognize it. Almost forgot, you really don't need root tabs for stem plants as they can feed from the water column.

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A bit of advice: Let any stem plant float until it begins to develop roots. I am a lover of the "bunch" look so I weight the plants down (basically same as floating) and let them root themselves. Never try to plan Hornwort as it does not grow viable roots.
Sry lol (noob), can you plz explain more about letting new stem plants 'float' when u get them?
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Don't plant in the substrate. Either use the weights they come with to sink them or let them float individually all over the tank.

This is one of my old divided tanks. Hope it shows you what I mean. Plants in the middle were weighted instead of planted and kept in a "bunch." The plant is Myriophyllum "Green." There are several species/colors of Myrio.

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Bunch plants and stem plants in most cases are the same. When plant farms sell their stem plants to a buyer they are sold in bunches not by the stem. So the phrase bunch plants.
These stem plants are cultivated and pruned to certain lengths and bundled into bunches for sale. From the farm to the buyer and stores the bunches ate separated into smaller bunches for sale to us. These bunches of stems have no roots but will grow them in time and can be planted once they do take root. That's why we float them first to let the roots grow until we can plant them.
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Why should they not be planted if they are root feeders??
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Bunch plants and stem plants in most cases are the same. When plant farms sell their stem plants to a buyer they are sold in bunches not by the stem. So the phrase bunch plants.
These stem plants are cultivated and pruned to certain lengths and bundled into bunches for sale. From the farm to the buyer and stores the bunches ate separated into smaller bunches for sale to us. These bunches of stems have no roots but will grow them in time and can be planted once they do take root. That's why we float them first to let the roots grow until we can plant them.
Oooh, i see. You just answered my later question
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Well m about to order some wisteria, stargrass, micro sword, and red flame sword! I should float all of those until roots grow?
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Not the Swords; they are not "bunch" plants. They are rooted plants and feed from the substrate. Stem plants are often sent without roots. To prevent rotting you want to float them until roots develop.

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I know this is confusing. But to summarize:

Individual plants you can buy potted, plants with centers (like Swords and Cryptocorynes) are rooted plants that feed from the substrate. They develop very strong, thick root systems. Look at the roots on your Anubias as an example of those thick roots.

Plants you can buy in bunches are stem plants. They can feed mainly from the water column. They do not develop the same heavy root system as do rooted plants. Circled area is a root. Note it is individual, slender, thin and weak comopared to the Anubias or Sword roots.

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Oh ok, but doesnt wisteria also feed from the substrate?
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Any plant can be planted.

Stem plants can be planted *if they have roots*. If you plant them without roots how are they going to feed? They can't (unless you use liquid ferts) and while some survive many will rot from the bottom up. That is why it is recommended to let them float until they develop roots before planting. The problem is with such flimsy roots and light weight it is difficult to keep them down without them continuously floating back up. That is why it was noted elsewhere you can weight them down and their roots will eventually anchor the plant in the substrate

The below is the root system of a plant that feeds from the substrate. Note the difference in roots? These are thick and together. They will anchor the plant in the substrate.

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