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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-16-2020, 12:36 AM Thread Starter
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Great Tank Escapades 2020

So the past 4 or 5 days has pretty much revolved around juggling the 45g and fish issues.

I've got the 45g set up, the water is 80% clear (maybe more), and the folks in there currently seem quite happy. I finally remembered to add the Flourish tonight, and I got an upgraded plant spectrum light on it yesterday, so I think the plants will be even better off too. There's some final plant and rock touches still on order, but hopefully this weekend will see it a bit more 'complete'.

Which is good because Saturday, and then Sunday... I was this " " close to calling it quits on big tanks and rehoming the tank.

Friday:
I partially filled the 45g tank with water, just to be safe.
Stopped by the chain store to check on their conditions, came home with Zsa Zsa (she needs a new name but its working for now). GG was in her 2.5 and Zsa Zsa went in with the 10g Rams & Angel.

Saturday:
I put in that Fluorite, after washing it over 11 times each batch (one batch I washed 15 times) until the water ran clear (which I was fooled by). Love the feel, but my goodness, that dust!
I also went to a LFS, not so locally-about 40m away, to get some plants as I'd heard they were great for plants... which they were.
But I came home with 2x new 2.6g aquariums and 1 new betta (he was free due to his condition), not to mention the endlers and plants. 1 Aquarium for GG, 1 for the new guy, because GG wasn't doing well in the minibow.
I did a small water change on the 45g hoping to clear it up a lot. I cleared it up marginally. Clarity did something, but not much. 2 large filters did very little as well. I was staring at a puddle of dusty water with 2 sick fish and multiple tanks to set up.
GG went in the new tank, so did the little guy, and the new endlers went in with Ori (he was not thrilled with that).

Sunday:
Emptied the 45g almost completely (hubby had the brilliant idea to divert the water out the window nearby saving me a boatload of time and energy, and pain), refilled the 45g with new conditioner and bio booster.
GG was very active and seemed content in the new tank. Zsa Zsa was still chasing the Rams and I was worried about the stress as the smaller Ram was getting the majority of the harassment.
So Zsa Zsa went in to the 45g, and I spent a very restless night worried about that decision.

(2.6g GG & 2.6g... Osiris? {I'm not quite 100% on his name}, 5g Orion and the Endlers, 10g Angel and the Blue Band, 45g Zsa Zsa)

Monday:
Zsa Zsa was doing well, slept in the Egeria Densa most of the night.
Endlers were moved over to the 45g. Ori was VERY happy with that change. He spent the entire day strutting around his tank again.
GG was not very mobile, no signs of interest in anything. No signs of anything wrong really on the immediately obvious visual. Other than loss of color. I moved her back to her original tank, hoping that would do something. She swam around and checked everything out. But within 20m or so, she was looking for hiding spots, hardly able to get up for air after a couple hours, let me hold her in my cupped hand, didn't even try to get air from that depth.
Osiris ate a small bite of flake and swam around the tank a bit. More so when I unplugged the filter.

Ran some errands (also picked up Clove oil, something I never thought I'd even consider having around) and came home to find GG in rigor mortis. There were no physical signs that I could see, such as ick or hole in head or dropsy or swim bladder, except that her swim bladder was ... solid? not large at all, she hadn't eaten in 3 days, but I could see through her scales and the bladder was not see through, as well as a bit of filmy slime on her.

Tuesday:

45g, Zsa Zsa and the endlers doing very well. Brought in shrimp and some additional endlers to bring them up to 7. Small water change to pull out some more dusty residue.
10g, Female Blue Ram faded color, not swimming much, not eating anything, hiding (holy bleep, same thing GG went through). Male BR & Angel doing very well with healthy appetites.
5g, Ori, eating well, swimming all throughout the day, very social.
2.6, Osiris, eating a tiny bit more, swimming, coming over to say hi.

Got the female BR to eat a bloodworm. Seemed to improve her color, but she still refused to be active and started to hang out near the surface (very unusual for Rams).

Wednesday:

45g, Zsa and folks doing well. Plants looking a little mneh, added the Flourish I forgot to add before because I was scattered and overwhelmed with Zsa and GG. Pretty sure the frog is making noises. That or the tank is making them and that worries me.
10g, female blue ram still not feeling well, male and angel look good. Bought PraziPro as I couldn't find Seachems product and it won't arrive until tomorrow. Treated the 10g (and the 45g as there was some cross contamination possible with Zsa Zsa and plants moved over). Got female BR to eat a small bloodworm again, she's still hiding. Brought the temp up again to just under 81.
5g, Ori still well, finding new spots to just hang out in and watch the world from.
2.6g, Osiris, ate a little more, swam around most the day with and without filter flow, social.

Had to move the empty 2.6g finally because I kept looking for GG in there.

What a week...

I hope to move the 2 BRs (assuming improved health) and the Angel to the 45g at some point.
Osiris to the 10g, eventually (or possibly a horizontal 5g like Ori's if his fins grow like I think they will), but he's still smaller than a quarter and has major fin tears on his dumbo fins.
Ori will stay in the 5g unless he seems to be bothered by the smaller size, I'm done messing with too many moves for these fragile fish.
And the 2.6g tanks will be fish/plant quarantine and hospital tanks.
The 2.5g minibow will be tossed I hope, couldn't find a filter for it that didn't upset the fish and too many dead fish associated with it now.

new lighting for the 5g, and hopefully I can get the fluval hob back on the 45, but it was noisy no matter what...
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I added the prazipro because the signs that GG exhibited led me to wonder about gill flukes. Especially with the female blue showing similar signs. And all I could find on it was safe to use even if there’s no infection.
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Sounds like you have had one great week. When you said you added the substrate (Fluorite) This is the substrate I used in the 10 gallon that ended up in the pot hole in the drive way. It use to be a really great product but lately they must have changed something in the way they mix and bag it. I ask a friend in Erie what they thought of it and we went back to set up a tank. Rinsed it for over an hour and put it in the tank. Same problem You could never get by the cloud. Even after it settled down the next day all a fish had to do is swim over it and a cloud would rise. We tried cleaning it again but the mud just got worse. We ended up asking his manager what to do. Lynn looked at me and said you still have that pot hole. Yeah I won't recommend it any more. I use sand or mini pebbles now.

I'm gald that you finally have that 45 up and running. it looks great. and the kids really look happy.
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Sounds like you have had one great week. When you said you added the substrate (Fluorite) This is the substrate I used in the 10 gallon that ended up in the pot hole in the drive way. It use to be a really great product but lately they must have changed something in the way they mix and bag it. I ask a friend in Erie what they thought of it and we went back to set up a tank. Rinsed it for over an hour and put it in the tank. Same problem You could never get by the cloud. Even after it settled down the next day all a fish had to do is swim over it and a cloud would rise. We tried cleaning it again but the mud just got worse. We ended up asking his manager what to do. Lynn looked at me and said you still have that pot hole. Yeah I won't recommend it any more. I use sand or mini pebbles now.

I'm gald that you finally have that 45 up and running. it looks great. and the kids really look happy.
Yeah I really wish I hadn't put the fluorite in, because once it was in and soaking wet I wasn't sure I was up to getting it back out. Which is why I decided to do a full tank flush (as you'd mentioned it might help) and small water changes for a while. It seems to be providing a good soft base for the plants, but phooey.
When I did the full tank flush it was one big dust cloud on that fluorite. There's still a bit of dust on almost everything. I go through and brush stuff off each day. Still have an extra filter foam in the hob to catch some of it. I've rinsed that out 2 times because it was gray/black.

Sand & mini pebbles will be my go to going forward.

On the plus side, I think, the 2nd 45g was supposedly damaged in transit, returned to the store and my money refunded. (I kinda think they realized they put too low a price on it and never shipped it) Not that I don't want a 2nd larger tank down the line (and the price was fantastic!) but right now I've got plenty to deal with and figure out with the sick fish, dead fish, and a cycling tank or two.
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Dead Fish?? which ones died? I know you were having problems with the female Ram but were there others?
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Dead Fish?? which ones died? I know you were having problems with the female Ram but were there others?
Gg died. Then the ram. Both with strange symptoms. The other ram and angel are still acting ok though they didn’t eat much this morning.

Treating with prazipro and wc. But going to switch to salt I believe.
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I'm so sorry to hear this. I cant imagine what happened. It could be the stress of being moved so much, but I've never had that problem with any fish. As long as they were accumulated to the tank in making sure the differences in water and temp all checked out it should never affect them. Both fish types are a hardy fish. Keep an eye on the rest for any indication of illness.
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I'm so sorry to hear this. I cant imagine what happened. It could be the stress of being moved so much, but I've never had that problem with any fish. As long as they were accumulated to the tank in making sure the differences in water and temp all checked out it should never affect them. Both fish types are a hardy fish. Keep an eye on the rest for any indication of illness.
I'm still a bit shocked by it. It was less than 48 hours from the time they showed signs until they were gone. The Ram was in the same tank for 2 weeks though.
I suspect Gill Flukes, that were introduced by GG most likely. I haven't been able to come up with anything else that would just hit them so fast and not affect the shrimp, Angelfish, the other Ram or the plants..

I come in to the tanks in the morning with serious trepidation. So... guys... how's it going?!?!

Knock on wood, everyone else has been acting well. Eating (Zsa even stole a large bloodworm I was trying to get to the frog, and she did not need more food!). Colors good. Active, mostly, Ori's the chillest fish so I check on him often to make sure he's ok. Frog serenades us.
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Not even a week and so many changes.

The 45g currently has:
Nut (aka Zsa Zsa aka the flying Betta) - Female Betta (though I'm suspicious of this)
Mickey (I don't know why but that's what comes to mind every time I see them) - Angelfish
Heket - Female African Water Frog who serenades us
7 Endlers
4 Amano Shrimp (I found the original shrimp hiding without his shell in the heater cavity!)
2 Panda Corys (they didn't have more at the LFS)
1 Clown Pleco

10g:
Ramas - Electric Blue Ram
4 Amano Shrimp

5g:
Orion - Male Betta
3 Amano Shrimp

2.6g:
Osiris - Male Betta

2.6g:
Plants

2 times this week Nut decided to attempt jumping out of the 45g. She did this by jumping up to my arm, biting it and flinging herself higher up. The 2nd time I thought I'd lowered the water level enough that she wouldn't be able to make this jump. I was wrong. She will now be spending time in a breeder box or something similar while I'm doing any further adjustments in the tank, or any water changes, or walking by it (ok not that last part). In fact that may be how I go about introducing new fish come to think of it...

I attempted to move the EBR & the Angelfish in to the 45g today. Nut had previously ignored the male EBR when they shared a tank (though I moved her because she was chasing the now deceased female EBR), and she's completely ignoring all the other fish in the tank currently, so I was hopeful she'd be cool with these additions. I turned the lights off, I let the fish settle down, I let the EBR swim in a bit of mixed tank water (they have nearly identical parameters, but just in case), and away we went. I made this change because the EBR has ben acting a bit stir crazy in the 10g and I was worried their stress level was getting to be high.

After 15 minutes of not even noticing the EBR in the tank, Nut saw him and made a beeline. She spent the better part of the next 2 hours chasing him around (even with the lights still off), flaring and even looked like a couple of nips were attempted. She did actually take breaks during the last 90 minutes, but her behavior got more aggressive when she was chasing and she started to go after ALL of the other fish in between harassment sessions of the EBR. WTH?!

I wanted to put either Orion or Osiris in the 10g. Ori because he spends most daylight hours hiding in his tank from the cat and I thought he might appreciate the solid lid, and Osiris because I think he'll need something more than the 2.6g and he's constantly swimming over to check things out whenever I walk by (he's at the back of the room currently).
But now I have the EBR back in the 10g.

And I'm back at square 1.0.2 when it comes to figuring out whether, or if, or how, I'm moving one of the other Bettas into that 10g tank, if I'm ever attempting the EBR in the 45g again (I'm leaning towards no), and if I should move Mickey back to the 10g (I'm also leaning towards No on that, Mickey hasn't grown much at all in the 10g and the tank mates at the LFS have nearly tripled in size over 3 weeks in 20g, even with 5 or 6 other Angels and multiple other fish in there with them, I'm thinking the tank size has affected that).

Osiris is still half the size of the other Bettas, or less than even, and I'm not 100% sure on putting him with any other fish, even the Ram or the so far docile Angel. He's very curious and social, but no idea how that will change in a bigger tank or with other fish. I would like to get him into at least a live planted setup at some point (it's all silk plants at the moment) with shrimp.

Orion does well with a smaller tank overall given those fins, but its such a wide open tank (3 sides and the lid are see through) and he does not like being on display (unlike some other Bettas I know) with my cat regularly checking up on him - Orion is this cats favorite source of entertainment.

I considered moving Nut to the 10g and leaving the EBR but.. she seems so much happier in there I just don't see downsizing her as the best idea.

Tank Shenanigans ftw.
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You do have your problems with Nut. If it were me Nut would be in a 5.5 by herself because she just can't behave. I would then find everyone else moving up in tank size. And I would find another betta for the 45 gallon. Only after you get the rest of the mates in the 45 that you want. The betta would be introduced last. Yes he would one day take over and rule but he wouldn't be to quick to start a fight. The other fish would respect their new king.

When I put Morry in the community tank He had just beat up his tank mate Gilford pretty good. I had Cal (my giant gene HM ) in that tank but something went wrong and he started biting his fins and was taken out and put in the tank with Gilford. This worked really well for about 2 months and for unknown reasons Cal died. However Morry is doing so well in the community tank (no fights and he rules the tank. the others vanish when he swims near. ) I found a really beautiful Delta tail named Jasper to put in the tank with Gilford and those two are getting along really well. Gilford has his fins back and Jasper likes having Gilford as a swimming partner.
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