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I like the look of the babies!!
Still no elephant ears showing up?

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No sign of EE trait :( I have another group that have the same mom, so I will see if any of them are displaying it. All research I have seen indicated that the EE gene was extremely recessive but I guess I had to find out for myself in order to believe it. I do that a lot, unfortunately. I have seen conflicting reports on whether or not the EE gene will present itself in F2. I think it may, but the percentage of fry that do display it will be minimal. Which is a shame, I very much enjoy watching the EE females I do have fluttering around the sorority like little butterflies :)
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Hehe yea, hope eventually they show up in later spawns :)

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8 week old betta fry

I think I may actually have gotten a couple of EE in my 3 week old spawn with the same mom...pecs are looking bigger than in my other spawns anyway :)

I only have a few pics to share of this spawn this week. I've been busy setting up tanks for a couple more pairs I ordered.
There's a couple pics of the 'cellophane' who is actually beginning to get some color back. I noticed all my blue eyed babies are losing color right now. I think they are going to cellophane and then gain back color like the first one did. Its odd because the ones with blue eyes weren't all just one color, they came in reddish and blue tones, and yet every single one is losing color.
I also noticed some babies are starting to branch out. There's a couple with four rays now, though the rest still have 2 rays. I would have to double check, but I think dad was 8 ray.
My pur[le/black spawn, which was out of a double tail mom, ended up being at least half double tails. I hadn't expected to have such a large percentage of DT.
Anyway, here's some pictures! The last two are the of the cellophane. You can see some patches that look dirty, where color is starting to come back in.
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5 week old betta fry

And heres a couple pics of the purple/black spawn. Both parents HMPK.
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They look great! The cellophanes look so delicate to me for some reason xD
But I can see some marbling starting out lightly? Does that mean they are going to be fancy like their dad?

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Aw the little ones are soooooooo cute!!!
I like the little grump face on the last one x3

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My next spawn

And to anyone who has been reading this log, here's a preview of my next couple of spawns.
Pic #1 HMPK Red Koi sibling pair- I don't have a picture of the female yet, but will update when I have one. The fish pictured is the male
Pic # 2 HMPK Super gold sibling pair- Pictured is the female, I do not yet have pictures of the male. I will update when I receive the pair

Both pairs should arrive this week. The Tiger Koi pair is from Thailand, and the super gold pair is from an awesome breeder in the U.S. I normally don't have my head turned by U.S. bred bettas, but I am a big fan of the female. She has a couple of minor flaws, but nothing that can't be improved upon. I've always wanted to work with golds, so I'm pretty excited about this :) Her and her brother are out of two gold bettas, and according to the breeder, that breeding resulted in all gold babies, so I imagine my pair should produce 100% gold in varying shades.

With the koi pair, I don't really consider the male a koi, but that's what the breeder had him listed as. Whatever he is, when I saw him, I just fell in love with him. Proper koi bettas should have a far greater amount of white, but for whatever reason I am more drawn to the ones that have lots of red and black. The ones that are mainly white just don't do anything for me. Regardless, the pair should throw at least a couple like dad. I have read so many contradicting theories about koi bettas. Many say you won't get any kois in F1, but since the pair are siblings, I believe this would be considered F2? So hopefully I get more like dad.
I will update with more pictures and create separate spawn logs once I get the pairs conditioned, just wanted to give a little sneak peak into my future plans.
Just a note, neither picture was taken by me, both are from the breeders, Bettapro Thailand, and Bettabunker.
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Lol i know what you mean about the cellophanes. They do look fragile, maybe because all their organs are just so visible :)
It's been said that fancy is a form of marbling, but there seems to be different opinions on the subject. I have seen some people say that fancy is a different ball game. So I am not sure yet if the cellophanes are simply marbling, and will remain two colors, or if they will develop three or more colors and become fancy. I have looked everywhere for other fancy spawn logs to see how their fry developed, but I was not able to find much on that either :/ Even if they turn out just to be marbles, I will be ok with that. I am a big fan of marbles :)

Lol yeah for some reason, a lot of fry from my second spawn have those grumpy little faces! Not sure what they are so crabby about, but I didn't have any grouch faces in my first spawn! >:(
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No sign of EE trait :( I have another group that have the same mom, so I will see if any of them are displaying it. All research I have seen indicated that the EE gene was extremely recessive but I guess I had to find out for myself in order to believe it. I do that a lot, unfortunately. I have seen conflicting reports on whether or not the EE gene will present itself in F2. I think it may, but the percentage of fry that do display it will be minimal. Which is a shame, I very much enjoy watching the EE females I do have fluttering around the sorority like little butterflies :)
It is likely none of this spawn will have EE trait show up. Since EE is recessive and this is an F1, you could either breed offspring to mother which would yield the most EE offspring, or sibling to sibling which would get less EE but still maybe 25 to 50 percent EE.

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