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post #1 of 46 (permalink) Old 02-06-2016, 12:12 PM Thread Starter
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HMPK Marble Male (giant geno) x DTPK Solid White Female

i have 2 pair of of Solid white DTPK, been trying to breed them for couple times, never make it, always end up with female beaten up, after a while keeping them i notice the body size of the those pairs are a bit smaller to my liking + i have a hard time spawning them and more over, many experienced breeder tell dtpk x dtpk is a risky spawn for deformed fry.

was planned to use the male in this spawn for spawning a giant DS female , but since the female is sick and i don't want to risk Don Juan health( my male name lol, he never fail to enchant any female i put with him, so far this is the 4th time i spawn him) , i just use this opportunity to breed Don Juan to the DTPK female since i want to fix the line anyway, Don is proven to pass a great shape of body, super growth fry, and neat butterfly marbling , and more over he has a dominant white body too, just incase any luck i still be able to keep the solid white line from this cross ( he is the male in my other spawn log, his fry are promising) https://www.bettafish.com/showthread.php?t=652130

on the same time with this spawn , i spawn one of the solid white DTPK male to a full cello female from a very nice marble line that gives out very good finnages and form (they spawned one day prior to this spawn). my plan is to cross best offspring from these two spawn and f1 from each spawn to pass down DT and Marble line altogether.

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Craeating a DT carrier that brings Marble Gene,Good Size, Sturdy and Broad Body with balanced finnages



Pair in a 50 x 30 x 20 plastic tubs,i plan to do father in method for two weeks . they are already spawned (06-02-2016) ( Don Juan never fails me lol), i don't even dare to peek the nest to see eggs,this is a crucial spawn for me, so can't take photo yet.

here are the photo of parents
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Don Juan really never fail me , this spawn is quite huge which is a surprise because female is so petite lol. He is still guarding the fry, same like his two previous spawn , fry growth looks bit uneven, but its not vary too much from the first spawn he had when he was paired with a dragon scale giant geno female.

all the fry looks white, maybe because male is basically irid + opaque.
but i expect some color bleed later on fins because of male has melano traits,hidden NR, Red, and Irids on his fins.

here some photo i took
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Haha, as you already know, the egg pile isn't related with females dimension or with how fat she looks. Sometimes, be little ones will break the egg hell loose on you. :)
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Haha, as you already know, the egg pile isn't related with females dimension or with how fat she looks. Sometimes, be little ones will break the egg hell loose on you. :)

yes it really surprise me, i have this habit to only spawn a very fat female hahaha, i am guessing do this related to the female decides to put 2 eggs sack all at once when spawning? i had read this article that saying each spawn female only empty one egg sack. if so that might be explain the fry's size difference.
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A few months ago I bred 7 weeks old females, two of them. Not very big, as you can guess. Both spawned lots of eggs so I could rise ~130 fry (respectable number) from both of them.

To me it seems that ending spawning and chasing the female away has nothing to do with female being "empty" of eggs. That's for sure, I witnessed countless times females dropping eggs shortly after being separated from male after spawning. Ending the nuptial affair seems more like a male decision, for whatever reason, not shortage of eggs. That being said, every female, large or small, thin or fat, has more eggs to put on the table that are actually spawned. :) That's why is not important how plump female looks. Or so I think into my head. :D
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its been a while since i update this thread, here some biggest grower, they are about 200++ fry, so far i do not see any DT from fry, all the fry seem going mother's bloodline which is not surprising, because father is a full mask irid opaque also, although he is marble, i expect the marble will kicks in in few more weeks.

fry color seem divided to two type, one is darker which give the steel blue shine, one is lighter which give greenish or turquoise shine. i might get yellow fins again because male is a NR carrier and female is NR too for solid white, do i see broad dorsal or its just my eye? lol.

they have bit ugly face, which is bit worrying to me lol, kind like a bad premonition, finger crossed!! i hope this spawn will come with good result, either way i will still going for f2 from this spawn to get DTs, but will go sibling x sibling, not to mother cross back, because i want to lose the small body characteristic that the female has.
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Dat female doe!! That is my next purchase.... All opaque DTPK female to add to my marbles in hopes to get more white of of them. I may want one of these fry too once they are ready!
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warning many pics

fry getting more shiny, here are some biggest bunch, looks greenish, i spot a couple even with yellowish glow, refresh me again solid white is cambo,nr,op factor , steel blue and metallic? i am trying to figure out where the yellowish glow come from, some fry show a bit of red wash as well, no marble happening yet, maybe pretty soon, they started to show more DT infused dorsals, i really can't wait for the F2,where things will look better hopefully .
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looks greenish, i spot a couple even with yellowish glow, refresh me again solid white is cambo,nr,op factor , steel blue and metallic? i am trying to figure out where the yellowish glow come from
I think the yellowish glow is pretty common among cambo fry. I asked myself that question at some point. Moreover the father was yellow. The fry turned to be plain jane cambo when adult. I could be wrong but you see yellow, don't you?
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Yes , i see yellow metallic sheen, it must be the metallic gene
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