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post #1 of 55 (permalink) Old 05-18-2018, 04:02 AM Thread Starter
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Multicolor Marble x Orange Dragon

I am getting a pair of imports for my first breeding attempt.
Male is a blue, turquoise, white, orange marble PK with red spots of his anal fin and one on his dorsal, he has it all... Female in "orange dragon" HMPK, she has red/orange fins with white tail that has black outline, half her body is nice orange and half white dragon scales.

I'm hope I will get at lest a few interesting looking marbles, what do you think?
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post #2 of 55 (permalink) Old 05-18-2018, 06:08 AM
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Don't forget to post some photos of your breeding pair once they get home.

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Can't wait too see the results. Marble betta is always interesting, they change colors so many times.

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I managed to take this very professional looking photo of a male. Female did not like my phone and I had no patience so her pic will have to wait.

Hope this bad pic is good enough for now =)


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Caught female by surprise and took a better photo of the male too.

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Gorgeous fish! :d
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Both Betta are beautiful!!!

I hope you take this in the spirit it is meant:

Your boy is a multi-color but not a marble. Note that marbles do not have banding like your boy. Defined by the International Betta Congress (governing body for Betta enthusiasts):

"The Marble Betta, like the Butterfly, is a Patterned Betta. However, it is variegated in a different manner. The key differences are the lack of fin banding and the presence of other colors on the body in a 'marbled' effect. Two types of Marbles exist, the 'Traditional Marble' and the newer 'Colored Marble' which may have many colors other than the black/flesh/white combination. Though cellophane is sometimes considered to be a genetic marble variant, it is not classed as a marble phenotypically. The fins and body must show at least two colors. These must include a light and dark color mix. Fish exhibiting sharp 'edges' to the marbling pattern are preferred over those with blended colors."

While a multi is:

"This designation is for Bettas with two, preferably three or more colors that do not fit into any of the other patterned categories. Ideally, the colors are in high contrast to each other. The colors are those normally seen in Bettas. However, simply having the head alone a different color or only having a different color (Black head in traditional iridescent colors) or only having a different color on the tip of the ventrals is not sufficient to be designated as Multicolor. Judges need be particularly cautious of Bettas shown as Multicolor that show as a second color only a fine wash, such as a 'Blue with a bad Red wash.' which is not sufficient."

Your girl is a lovely orange and white but she is a normal scale; not a Dragon. A Dragon should have a solid opaque body with thick scales that look as if they've been brushed with thick paint. Their scales should look like a knight's armor.

Whether one shows or not, the IBC judge's PDF is a really good reference for types, patterns and colors because oftentimes sellers get it wrong. You might want to join or at least download from the link below (and free issues of "Flare").

Best of luck to you in your breeding program!

Click on Exhibition Standards for right download:
https://www.ibcbettas.org/download/1498/
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Welcome to the Forum!

Both Betta are beautiful!!!

I hope you take this in the spirit it is meant:

Your boy is a multi-color but not a marble. Note that marbles do not have banding like your boy. Defined by the International Betta Congress (governing body for Betta enthusiasts):

"The Marble Betta, like the Butterfly, is a Patterned Betta. However, it is variegated in a different manner. The key differences are the lack of fin banding and the presence of other colors on the body in a 'marbled' effect. Two types of Marbles exist, the 'Traditional Marble' and the newer 'Colored Marble' which may have many colors other than the black/flesh/white combination. Though cellophane is sometimes considered to be a genetic marble variant, it is not classed as a marble phenotypically. The fins and body must show at least two colors. These must include a light and dark color mix. Fish exhibiting sharp 'edges' to the marbling pattern are preferred over those with blended colors."

While a multi is:

"This designation is for Bettas with two, preferably three or more colors that do not fit into any of the other patterned categories. Ideally, the colors are in high contrast to each other. The colors are those normally seen in Bettas. However, simply having the head alone a different color or only having a different color (Black head in traditional iridescent colors) or only having a different color on the tip of the ventrals is not sufficient to be designated as Multicolor. Judges need be particularly cautious of Bettas shown as Multicolor that show as a second color only a fine wash, such as a 'Blue with a bad Red wash.' which is not sufficient."

Your girl is a lovely orange and white but she is a normal scale; not a Dragon. A Dragon should have a solid opaque body with thick scales that look as if they've been brushed with thick paint. Their scales should look like a knight's armor.

Whether one shows or not, the IBC judge's PDF is a really good reference for types, patterns and colors because oftentimes sellers get it wrong. You might want to join or at least download from the link below (and free issues of "Flare").

Best of luck to you in your breeding program!

Click on Exhibition Standards for right download:
https://www.ibcbettas.org/download/1498/

Wow, that was a very informative reply. Many thanks :)

I think the female was labelled as "dragon" is because her white scales, even though not too thick looking, have a very nice, strong, pearly sheen in the right light.
As for the male, I fell in love with him so much I did not even question his label lol

Now I'm in a pickle. All the research I did was on marbles and their offspring. I did not care much about other patterns so now I don't really know what to expect. It's both exciting and terrifying :)

Also, male is a bit on a skinny side so it may take time before we can progress.
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Hey and Welcome to the forum

The female seems to look to old and big for the male if you're trying to breed them, it would be really hard for the male to wrap around her and there is also a chance the female might be more aggressive then the male. But overall your male has very nice colors and I'm just giving a heads up, dont want his fins being all damaged.

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They both are roughly 3.5cm head to tail but female sure is much bulkier and looks like she can kick some butts... but like I said, male is a bit skinny and I hope some TLC will get him into shape.
All I can do now is hope for the best.
Thanks for Your concern GazHMPK :)
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