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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-26-2016, 08:54 PM Thread Starter
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Epsom salt help.

Hello all. I posted a few days ago with no responses (here is link to it https://www.bettafish.com/#/forumsite.../717922?page=1) anyway, i am uncertain still if my betta is getting dropsy or is just fat or bloated. But I have decided to give some Epsom salt. I thoroughly cleaned his tank and added betta revive but I also want to give some Epsom salt. Now I read a lot of different things about how much and whether to just give a bath or add to tank. I would rather give a low dose to tank if that is ok. People say to give a bath in stronger dose but I am scared of stressing him or dosing him so much when not necessary. Please tell me the best way to go about this and for all the thee info about the fish please check the link and the replies as I have included pictures and other info in replies to my own post. I really want the best for my fish. Please help. I don't want to make a mistake! Thank you
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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-27-2016, 09:29 AM
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Hello, did you try not feeding him for a few days see if he would poop and the swelling goes down?
For now, keep the tank warm, 80-82 and the lights off so he doesn't stress.
Stop feeding him if you haven't tried to starve him for a couple/three days to see if he will poop.
I wouldn't Epsom salt the whole tank unless one of the experienced members pipe in.
Being delicate to get him out of the tank to a small Epsom bath might help but it might not be needed.
So please read on, and answer the questionnaire at the bottom

Really need as many pictures of him as possible as well. Top looking down onto him, front, sideways...anything that can help the members.
Without knowing what and how you feed, the water parameters and most importantly as clear pictures as you can get, it is difficult at best to help.

The best thing you can do now is copy/paste this questionnaire into a new box once you answer all the questions.
The experienced members and admins may pipe in at some point as a lot of people are not on this full time.


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Thank you for the reply. The link I provided tells all that information since I posted a couple days ago with no replies. Click that link for pictures and questionnaire. Since no one responded to that, this was just a follow up post. I have gone 3 days with only giving him a pea and one blood worm yesterday. He has pooped since then but still looks the same with no major pineconing. So please check out the link in my above post. Thank you again.
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Unfortunately, that link doesn't seem to be working properly! Do you think you could copy and paste all the information from your old thread instead?
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THIS POST WAS FROM A FEW DAYS AGO UNDER TITLE SLIGHTLY BLOATED OR GETTING DROPSY?


Hello all. I have seen similar posts about this but I wanted to post my individual case and get some help. My crowntail, Blue has looked a little fat the last couple of days and I thought it was just due to maybe some over feeding or constipation that made him look a little bloated but then I started researching and I am getting paranoid that he has or is getting dropsy. His underside looks lighter where the bloat is. (He's actually pooping while i write this lol) So here is some info. He is in a filtered, heated 5 gallon tank with lots of plants and toys. He is still active, still flares and seems like himself and does not hang out at top or bottom of tank but explores normally. He hasn't worked on a nest in a few days but there are remnants of one in there. I did a half tank water change last week and 2 weeks before that I did a full tank cleaning as well as plants and toys cleaning. Please I would appreciate feedback as I want to do a full tank and toy/plant cleanse and want to start treatment right away. I feed him only frozen blood worms (not freeze dried) The amount is hard to say since sometimes the bloodworm is broken up and not in a full piece but i would say I feed him about 5 full blood worms and i feed him twice a day in the daytime and at night time. I feel like maybe i am over feeding him and he is just bloated(at least this is my hope since that is able to be cured) I am just really nervous that it is dropsy. Really looking forward to some replies.

Housing:
How many gallons is your tank? 5
Does it have a filter? Y
Does it have a heater?Y
What temperature is your tank? 80
Does your tank have an air stone or other type of aeration? N
Does your Betta have tank mates? What kind? N

Food:
What food brand do you use? frozen blood worms
Do you feed flakes or pellets? Neither
Freeze-dried? No
How often do you feed your Betta? How much? twice a day, about 5 full blood worms

Maintenance:
Before your Betta became ill how often did you perform a water change? twice a month
What percentage of water did you change? Full change and plant/decor cleaning (sometimes I do a 50% change)
Do you vacuum the substrate or just dip out water? Dip (or siphon 50% out)
What additives do you use? water conditioner, aquarium salt (sometimes a little revive if nee be)

Water Parameters:
What are your water parameters? Please give exact numbers. If tested by pet store please get exact numbers. "Fine" or "Safe" won't help us help you.
I ONLY HAVE TEST STRIPS THAT SHOW COLORS. NO NUMBERS (BUT ALL WERE IN THE COLOR GUIDE OF BEING SAFE AND STABLE)
Ammonia:
Nitrite:
Nitrate:
pH:
Hardness (GH):
Alkalinity (KH):

Symptoms and Treatment:
When did you first notice the symptoms? 2 days ag
How has your Betta’s appearance changed? looking bloated, ever so slightly there are lifted scales
How has your Betta’s behavior changed? No change at all. Still swimming well and active
Is your Betta still eating? yes
Have you started treating your Betta? If so, how? Not yet. Will be doing a full water and tank cleaning in the morning and will probably add betta revive.
Does your Betta have any history of being ill? No
How long have you owned your Betta? Was he or she ill or suffering some sort of damage when purchased? about 4 months. No history of being ill
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Pics are from few days ago. Will post new ones soon
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And these pics are from today. (The water is tinted blue from the betta revive. It's safe)
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He doesn't eat anything but bloodworms?
You wrote: " twice a day, about 5 full blood worms"

Do you mean he gets a total of 10 bloodworms a day?

I'm not sure if that is great nutrition or not, they have some merit I presume, a lot of moisture, maybe that is bloating him.

Not an expert but I wonder how much real dense nutrition they are providing not to mention any kind of real roughage/fiber.

I'm hoping lilnagrim, Hallyx or RussellTheShihTzu will pipe in at some point or some experienced members.

Its been a busy holiday week for most people, may be light participation on the forum.
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Well what started me on frozen bloodworms was my other betta had swim bladder badly when I first got her. And I read that frozen bloodworms was best because they don't expand in stomach. So far she has been really good on that diet. But I think perhaps I just give too much. So I have been giving even her a lot less these few days. I am too scared to give her pellets or shrimp because she is sensitive to swim bladder and on bloodworms she has been good. She is a lot healthier now than when I first got her. With the male (the one I am posting about) I used to give him 1 or 2 soaked pellets and 2 bloodworms. Just because I figured his stomach could handle that variety. But in the last few weeks it has just been the bloodworms. Luckily he seems active and healthy and flares at me when I walk by and makes his nest (though it's small) his barbs on his fins are kinda crappy though. I posted about them looking like they broke off (not fun rot though) but yes I would like as much feedback as possible. He isn't getting bigger but not sure if he's slimmed down. But I will keep adding pics.
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i do notice that they both poop more than I have ever seen my previous betta who only ate pellets and freeze dried shrimp. And not to be gross but when they go, it's pretty big and healthy looking.
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