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09-01-2019 04:34 PM
JettaBetta
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The only problems a breeder has now a days is not having a pure gene pool to pull from. The true breeders (the ones that have done this for a living and the ones that have done their research for years before ) had true gene pools to work with and never interbred the species. The hobbyist those of us that look at a beautiful male and female and say Well they will have great babies, They don't know the linage of the breed and there fore have lead to the down fall of breeding. They have bread problems into the species and don't realize it until the problems come back to haunt us.
I actually saw a breeder who had at least 10 mustard youngs for sale. Ill look up if she has a page. Mustard is my favourite but I am still very reluctant to buy it off. I've been reading alot and have a clear idea of how Jude came to create them but she used pures and that's the issue here. I know it was Cambodian with lack of red (that's how I thought that the f1 here should be red and blues) but also melano, that is what I belive gave the purplish shine on the body. I can't remember whole heartedly what type of blue it was but I have all noted down, somewhere [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

There is an interesting way of putting it by betta territory and I quote:

"Mustard gas*
The Mustard gas was created by Jude Als (Unkle Junkin). The original Mustard gas bettas had a solid blue/greenish body and yellow fins. Because this line bred true Jude Als thought of this strain name, but actually they are not more then blue/yellow bicolor fishes.
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Orginal Mustard gas delta male [12]*[http://www]
Mustard gas HM male [11]*[http://www]
Mustard gas HM male [9]*****
As you can see on the pictures above, nowadays, the term mustard gas is a very plastic term. The pattern of the colors of the different MGs differs from fish to fish. Some fishes also have blue/green/black edges around their fins while others lack these features. Most of the "modern" Mustard don't even come close to the original of Jude Als.*
Because of these controversy, on shows mustard gas bettas are classified into the bicolored class."

And here is the website for reference:

http://www.bettaterritory.nl/BT-AABcolorgenetics.htm

I learned alot about betta genetics here and his spawn logs are priceless when he does update them :)

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09-01-2019 03:14 PM
Old Dog 59 The only problems a breeder has now a days is not having a pure gene pool to pull from. The true breeders (the ones that have done this for a living and the ones that have done their research for years before ) had true gene pools to work with and never interbred the species. The hobbyist those of us that look at a beautiful male and female and say Well they will have great babies, They don't know the linage of the breed and there fore have lead to the down fall of breeding. They have bread problems into the species and don't realize it until the problems come back to haunt us.
09-01-2019 12:26 PM
Old Dog 59 I after her every day to start posting again, but I know she has a lot on her plate right now so I'll give it a while yet. But she will be back.
09-01-2019 07:22 AM
JettaBetta
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I'm in constant contact with Ma Betta and have been since her attempt to breed the Mustard Gas. It was a great thing to know that the two spawned. After the spawn there were 175 fry that survived. A great achievement to say the least. A few weeks after she removed the male from the tank and put him back into his tank Mas was fine until one morning she came out to find Mas dead. (It happens for any amount of reasons) Ma was heart broken. Mas was a beautiful Yellow and Blue Mustard gas Half Moon.



As the weeks progressed, and the fry grew to the point of being able to sex them. It became very clear that something in the gene mix did not take. There were no mustard gas colors. However the babies, when they did color. were still beautiful. In colors of reds and blues and could still be marble.



In the past couple of months Ma had a serious injury to her shoulder, and is now recouping from the surgery. She has consigned all of the fry to a local shop and some have even been shipped to Hawaii. As soon as she can she will try again, and I hope everything goes well for her this time. She should be back on the forum soon I hope. I really do miss my friend.
Oh bless. I'm very sorry to hear that and I hope that she is recovering well.

Regarding the fry, i was actually kinda expecting a mix of red and blues on f1 as they aren't real mgs and therefore don't breed true no?

As far as I've read the real mg that bred true is extinct. I thought that she would probably get some results on f2 or maybe even f3 but was looking forward to see what the f1 would have been like.

I hope when she is well enough and feel ups for a retry that she will continue with her spawn logs. I look very much forward for it.

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09-01-2019 05:34 AM
Old Dog 59 Love the coloration and the finnage. I got both when they were still juveniles so they still hadn't gotten all of their finnage grown in. I had no Idea Bee would turn out as a rose tail. He is now 6 months old and his colors and fins have grown in. Mustard Gas HM rose tail.

Blue on the other hand is now 5 months and his colors have gotten more vibrant and his tail has grown in full and he is an HM They are both stunning fish. I don't have any recent pictures of either one of them but here they both are at 4 months.

https://www.bettafish.com/attachment...1&d=1567333938

https://www.bettafish.com/attachment...1&d=1567333790
08-31-2019 08:23 PM
grre Wow thats awesome, I can see from your DP pic I should have realized you did manage to find one. May I ask why your keen interest in mustard gas bettas in particular?


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08-31-2019 08:11 PM
Old Dog 59 I have had luck twice in the past 3 months once with Little Bee a yellow and black Mustard Gas Rose tail found of all places at a Petsmart in Erie PA. and two months ago I was given a gift from a friend to travel to Pittsburgh PA. to meet a wholesale breeder of Betta. The breeder sells to only box stores and only in quantities I can not reveal. I was given the chance to meet and become friends with this person and I was given the chance to buy Blue. He is a Blue metallic and Yellow Mustard Gas Half moon. I was given the chance to choose him form thousands of quality betta.
08-31-2019 07:56 PM
grre My best wishes for Ma Betta, I am sorry to hear of Mas's death and that none of the fry took-at least Mas left a legacy, that's more than the most of us can say when our beloved fish die.
I have seen quite a few mustard gas coloured bettas since first reading this thread a few months ago at my local Big Al's (fish store chain)-they have "normal" Bettas ie. VTs and crown tails very inexpensive and usually well kept and then the 'fancier' selections of koi/marbling/trascluent/EE ect. usually at least 60-70 different 'fancier' varieties and quite amazing to look at (at least now that I know all the terminology). Maybe you or Ma Betta will have some luck finding one in a local store.
08-31-2019 01:31 PM
Old Dog 59 I'm in constant contact with Ma Betta and have been since her attempt to breed the Mustard Gas. It was a great thing to know that the two spawned. After the spawn there were 175 fry that survived. A great achievement to say the least. A few weeks after she removed the male from the tank and put him back into his tank Mas was fine until one morning she came out to find Mas dead. (It happens for any amount of reasons) Ma was heart broken. Mas was a beautiful Yellow and Blue Mustard gas Half Moon.

As the weeks progressed, and the fry grew to the point of being able to sex them. It became very clear that something in the gene mix did not take. There were no mustard gas colors. However the babies, when they did color. were still beautiful. In colors of reds and blues and could still be marble.

In the past couple of months Ma had a serious injury to her shoulder, and is now recouping from the surgery. She has consigned all of the fry to a local shop and some have even been shipped to Hawaii. As soon as she can she will try again, and I hope everything goes well for her this time. She should be back on the forum soon I hope. I really do miss my friend.
08-30-2019 05:50 AM
JettaBetta Looking forward for new ypdates! X

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